SUSPENSION CHOICE KW or NITRON...!!! (heeelp )

[nick///M3]

because they can!:smokin:

of course there are benefits from a/m suspension, best of all is the amount of tyre wear it saves you on fast tracks by preventing the body roll onto the tyre edges

but of your aim is mainly to do the Ring i personally don't think there will be any improvement on a CSL. probably the opposite (Rob seems to be getting slower :whistle

yet you got your self an intrax if i remember right?

you said i am going to ignore your advice on the stock suspension ( which i am trying to do ) but the car is no csl...
i don't know if the csl suspension is going to work properly with almost 80-100kg more weight to transfer....

[mattCSLnut]

i am so darn confused here....

first the club-sport
then the Nitron sport+
now the moton 1 way ....( keep reading reviews from people in the U.S. how awesome this kit is and how well it drives and handle!!!!! )

Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghe ad::banghead:

You're getting handling advice form the U.S. Guys ??? :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha: No wonder you're confused :hahaha: :hahaha: :hahaha:

[shimmy]

i haven't decided yet....

but the thing is, if the stock is so damn good why do people go on to change their suspensions?

?

because they can!:smokin:

of course there are benefits from a/m suspension, best of all is the amount of tyre wear it saves you on fast tracks by preventing the body roll onto the tyre edges

but of your aim is mainly to do the Ring i personally dont think there will be any improvement on a CSL. probabaly the opposite (Rob seems to be getting slower :whistle

[nick///M3]

It's called "wear & tear" :banghead: BMW Warranty only covers suspension parts up to 60 000 miles / 100 000 kms ... after that it's "BMW Good Will" but that rarely goes through on suspension components these days :bigcry:
The cost of replacement O.E. CSL suspension is almost the same as a decent after market suspension kits so most owners go for a/m suspension kits as it offers better adjustibility + in some cases the a/m kits can be rebuild after a few years use, unlike the O.E. stuff that just gets bind :smt087
BTW the O.E. CSL suspension is quite firm as standard, even with a few miles/kilometres on them :whistle:

looking to sell something mate????:hahaha:

i am so darn confused here....

first the club-sport
then the Nitron sport+
now the moton 1 way ....( keep reading reviews from people in the us how awesome this kit is and how well it drives and handle!!!!! )

Jesus Christ !!!!!!!!!!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghe ad::banghead:

and the thing is that everybody has different opinions on what someone should get....

the more i read and try to compare the kits, the more confused i get....

and the money are quite a bit too....
i am going to spend another 2k++ for a new suspension and don't want to get something i won't like at the end....

[mattCSLnut]

i haven't decided yet....

but the thing is, if the stock is so damn good why do people go on to change their suspensions?

doesn't a proper a/m suspension gives better handling and more firm ride than stock ?

a several thousand suspension offers what exactly?

besides talking away the 4wheel drive look ( bling matters for something..) what else is there??

It's called "wear & tear" :banghead: BMW Warranty only covers suspension parts up to 60 000 miles / 100 000 kms ... after that it's "BMW Good Will" but that rarely goes through on suspension components these days :bigcry:
The cost of replacement O.E. CSL suspension is almost the same as a decent after market suspension kits so most owners go for a/m suspension kits as it offers better adjustibility + in some cases the a/m kits can be rebuild after a few years use, unlike the O.E. stuff that just gets bind :smt087
BTW the O.E. CSL suspension is quite firm as standard, even with a few miles/kilometres on them :thumbs: and lower doesn't automatically mean better :whistle:

[nick///M3]

i haven't decided yet....

but the thing is, if the stock is so damn good why do people go on to change their suspensions?

doesn't a proper a/m suspension gives better handling and more firm ride than stock ?

a several thousand suspension offers what exactly?

besides talking away the 4wheel drive look ( bling matters for something..) what else is there??

[mattCSLnut]

WHORE! :hahaha:

:smt003 I THANK You Sir :blalalala:

[glendog74]

WHORE! :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

Coz were not professional race drivers who drive the Ring for a living :bigcry:

... in somebody else's cars :thumbs: plus we never get an empty RING to ourselves :bigcry: as much as we'd like to :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

On a proper track on a road car a/m suspension has a little scope for improving speed BUT on the Ring I stand by my statement OEM suspension will be as good.

I've not seen anybody beat the official 7m50 full lap time of a CSL which wa set on OEM

I'm with Shimmy on this one :smt023 ... even a well used O.E.M. CSL suspension works a treat around the Green Hell (aka The Ring) :whistle: ... not too cleaver around Spa though :bigcry:

[glendog74]

I've not seen anybody beat the official 7m50 full lap time of a CSL which wa set on OEM

Coz were not professional race drivers who drive the Ring for a living :bigcry:

[shimmy]

I'd like to disagree with that statement please :-)

Which bit are you disagreeing with? You see to be talking about something else!

On a proper track on a road car a/m suspension has a little scope for improving speed BUT on the Ring I stand by my statement OEM suspension will be as good.

I've not seen anybody beat the official 7m50 full lap time of a CSL which wa set on OEM

[Thorney]

We now only use Moton on all our cars, CSL Cup, E92 GT3, Gallardo. We offer Nitron as well on the Csl as a cheaper alternative. Whilst there is an element of sponsorship from Moton on the race cars we pay for all of it. We've not needed to rebuild any Moton shock in three years.

[titan]

Face facts in that BMW built the suspension to run the ring as fast as possible. I personally doubt on road Tyres and geo a/m suspension will be any better.

I'd like to disagree with that statement please :-)

Car manufacturers face an almost impossible task with regards to the performance aspect. They have to consider a great many factors that aftermarket do not.

1. Will these uprated parts last ie avoid warranty issues...
2. Parts have to be put through various approval processes for domestic market (check a lot of aftermarket parts, they mention track or off-road, not street legal necessarily...)
3. Parts need to be made in reasonable quantity and speed. Hand-assembled might not be the way forwards and costs need to be kept down.
4. Parts need to be put through stringent testing for safety purposes etc
5. Parts need to be designed for minimal maintenance and quite possibly some neglect.

When you buy a suspension kit aimed at track use you don't get much of a warranty to be honest. If a coilover broke and you lost your car into the armco good luck pursuing that claim. If your coilovers need rebuilding every 2 years, that goes with the territory. Expect to have to keep them far cleaner than a daily shitter etc.

All I'm saying is that in general it is a mission for oem to produce something that is totally focussed, its always a compromise.

I have an internal training document for the Porsche GT2 RS. When you read through some of the stuff they do on these cars, you look at the build quality and attention to detail its just amazing. End result, sell a lung to buy one. You're not buying £165 of tin, you're contributing £100k+ to the entire R&D project that got you there.

[titan]

Where did you get hold of the 3 - Way KW kit ?

custom built by KW in germany and shipped to me...

I assume the german KW dude you were referring too is Mitch ?

Michael Grassl.

I can highly recommend AMD in Essex

Cheers, might give them a try. Yes, Raeder Motorsport got a look in too :-)

You mention AMD and Thorney, but are we talking M3/CSL here ?

Essentially my evo is akin to a prototype with regards the amount of knowledge out there. Custom this and custom that, nothing with a mitsi badge on it anymore.....



The kit was built to a spec designed by Michael taking into account overall weight, front/rear split, tyre sizes and compound, intended use etc.

Interestingly their recommended settings are damn good. From that point if I soften it up I lose high speed stability and stiffening it reduces traction. Textbook stuff.

Certain tuners/companies know certain cars. Nitron are massive in lotus circles, not so much on evo...KW were one of the few who have actually had experience of racing the damn things :-)

Comp 3-ways are not for the wallet conscious though !