S54 CSL Engine Transplant

[RolyGTIR]

Great pics - what a place! :smt023
SB CSL Rocks :supz:

[pinkpanther008]

awesome...

Visited the BMW museum last year on return from a ski trip, absolutley amazing cathedrale of the BMW religion...a must for any fan/owner. The motorsport 'room' including a E46 M3GTR is a true shrine!:thumbs:

The motorpsort storage facilty is some what harder to gain access to?!

[glendog74]

thats a lot a pics, thanks for sharing.
whoever's next in munich, dont miss this place

Do tell...! :thumbs:

[Roland]

thats a lot a pics, thanks for sharing.
whoever's next in munich, dont miss this place

[glendog74]

Hi,

Bit off topic with regard the thread, but if
you look through all the pics, there
is a CSL, in the correct colour, black,
near the end, and an E30 M3 to boot, and the fact
that if you have never been to the
BMW Tour, here it all is from your
armchair.

There is something like 500 pics but its
quite enjoyable.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400639

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Thanks Primate - that's a cool find!

You really are our resident BMW fiend! :smokin:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Bit off topic with regard the thread, but if
you look through all the pics, there
is a CSL, in the correct colour, black,
near the end, and an E30 M3 to boot, and the fact
that if you have never been to the
BMW Tour, here it all is from your
armchair.

There is something like 500 pics but its
quite enjoyable.

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=400639

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[pinkpanther008]

Awe inspiring

I love these threads - superb links to make the petrol loaded blood flow:-)

Ouuu ouu ou ou ou o u o u ouu - the Gorilla rocks!:thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Talking of CSL engines here is the
BMW 6 Pot that actually will
make over 400 BHP NA.

Edit- my mistake, this is P54 B20 which is
about 320 BHP from MS.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4016507715/in/photostream/

And if that seems a bit tame then you could
fit one of these.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4017272658/in/photostream/

Personally I would go for this in either a CSL or E30 M3. Sublime.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/16885292@N02/4017272360/in/photostream/

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[LeinsCSL]

Love this thread, and love the 190 nearly as much as the E30 :thumbs:

But Jesus lads, I haven't a clue what you're talking about in half of it :bigcry:

[DuncanR]

Hi,

Lawsy and Glendog- its a Merc 190 with a 2.3 16v short stroke
80.mm Crank on a 2.3 block with a 96mm over bore
forged Mahle pistion, running 4mm longer rods at 11.5.1 CR.

It has BMW M62 B/end shells to reduce friction
and BMW E36 M3 Oil squirters to aid piston cooling.

A BMW E34 2.5 Diesel sump pan was modified as the
oil pan had to be turned around 180 degrees as the
rack and pinion sits where the 190 16v sump would.

Its a 2.5 16v head, converted to single chain,
polished and ported with AMG Power pack
cams, 4 x 50mm BMW ITB's with extended
intake runners via a high volume carbon airbox.

It has uprated valve springs and whole bottom end
has been lightened and fully balanced.

Its running a Merc DTM 92 4-1 Header, and will be fitted
with a dual 55mm exhaust via one rear re=packable
box.

Its Coil on plug and will be either a Motec M4
ECU or a.n another yet to be determined.

The 5 speed Getrag 16v Gearbox has been changed out
for a 211 C270 CDi 6 speed box with a lightened 16v
flywheel and uprrated 16V Clutch.

Diff is a Merc DTM 92 LSD at 3.46 ratio with 75% lock up
and fitted with an oil cooler and pump.

The 190 16v has been converted from steering box
to full rack and pinion, with a BMW Z3 1.9
2.7 ratio rack with E46 front hubs mounted
with Hamann adjustable coilovers
front and AVO 2 way adjustable coil over rears.

Front ARB is a Merc 190 2.6 which has been relocated
to suit coilovers, and its a BMW E30 M3 front ARB
at the rear. ARB's are fitted into Shore 85 arb
bushes and are fully adjustable with adjustable
drop links.

The rear Multi link subframe has been fully gusseted
and strengthened with Delrin rear subframe bushes,
and the diff has been raised 40mm to assist with
the half shaft ramp angles when lowered.

All the supension pick ups and turrets have been
gusseted and strengthened and triangulation has
been welded in to stiffen all the key points.

ABS has been removed, and its running 4 Pot BMW 750
Brembos on BMW E46 M3 330 X 28 discs with Merc
SL 500 310 X 22 mm rears with 4 pot Hi Spec alloy calipers.

Rear Brake bias valve in line is fitted inside.

There are some other bits and pieces but I think
that gives the low down to date.

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03174vj

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03179sj

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03178jj

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03175foj

http://yfrog.com/63dsc03180hj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03141hj

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03164lj

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03170dj

http://yfrog.com/mqdsc03168xj

and some more-

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03181fj

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03182bj

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03183kj

http://yfrog.com/1rdsc03184tj

and some more-

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03187u.jpg/

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03188a.jpg/

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/dsc03189u.jpg/

and some more-

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03190d.jpg/

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03191m.jpg/

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03192ir.jpg/

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03193pm.jpg/

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03194t.jpg/

http://img833.imageshack.us/i/dsc03195v.jpg/

and some more -

http://img148.imageshack.us/i/dsc03203px.jpg/

http://img198.imageshack.us/i/dsc03204e.jpg/

http://img850.imageshack.us/i/dsc03205t.jpg/

http://img823.imageshack.us/i/dsc03206e.jpg/

http://img151.imageshack.us/i/dsc03207q.jpg/

http://img59.imageshack.us/i/dsc03208t.jpg/

http://img19.imageshack.us/i/dsc03209z.jpg/

and the last for now !!!

Regards,

The Gorilla.

So .. pretty much stock then :smt102


Great Automotive Engineering and engine new itty D ! .. loving your work mate:thumbs:

[E30M3SE]

Hi,

Couple of pics of my old shed.

E30 M3 S54 CSL engine.

You will need to alter the bulkhead
and G/box tunnel to get the
6 pot sat back similar to this.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

These pictures explain why my opinion on this type of conversion is way different to yours, as your car is way more 'engineered' than the example I experienced afew years ago.

Good work.:thumbs:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Lawsy- you may have already seen
these but there are some quite
stunning cars here, shame is
Merc has all the keys.

From what you were saying 2nd link
is your 'Car'.

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=161

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=1209

http://www.mb-galerie.de/galerie.php?classnr=21&modelnr=1279

A colleague in Germany, Rynar Jung, they own large Merc Dealership
had a client with one on these, back in the days when Merc
would sell Works Cars.

I drove the sister car to this, and the only way to explain
it was that it was a F1 car with a roof.

Absolutley Brain Numbing.

http://www.gurneyflap.com/mercedesdtm.html

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[The Gorilla]

Hi Lawsy,

When the old 190 is complete,
next few months hopefully,
then if your down this way
South Coast, near Bournemouth, then
your more than welcome, or
if I am going M40 I will give you
a shout and bring the old 190
in for a cuppa !!!

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[shane@mbtech]

Hi Lawsy,

Yes, the 6 speed box is from a E class 270 CDi.

Its the only 6 speed Manual Box Merc make that is rated
for 400nm Torque.

Its almost identical ratios to a BMW 6 Speed/ CSL box
save that first is 4.45. So its almost a C/R box.

Took a lot time to figure out that the M102 bolt
pattern was still being used via the Diesels.

Bolts straight on a Merc 16V Block, but then
the fun begins !!!

In its present build spec, if I get 250 ish BHP from the engine
I will be well pleased, as the car will only be just
over 1100kg when done.

I have access to a DTM Block with 12.5cr Pistons
which if fitted with the 49mm slides, 8 Injectors and Carbon Airbox
set up I have here, then it would be 300 BHP plus, but
I think it would be to 'peaky' an engine for use
on the road, but its an option.

The Merc V6 is one of their best ever engines in my
opinion, and will deliver strong power numbers.

The recent trend on the C43 AMG is to fit the E55
engine which is a straight plug and play,
even down to the ECU etc.
A few have been done in the States now and with a
LSD and a 3.27 rear diff they become uber quick,
for not big money.

I was going to fit a C36 AMG engine, which has been
done several times in a 190 16v, but just preferred the
idea of free revving, light weight, point and squirt
old school roller skate.

Be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

It certainly will be interesting to see your results.

Where are you based, I would love a butchers at it some time, if possible that is?

They officially released a couple c55 in 202 guise, very rare thing, but there are a few about. I take it you mean the old 113 v8 non supercharged engine in the c43?

The superharged v8 is a monster engine and if shoehorned into something would be seriously fast, think e30 M5 engine fast.

The 112 v6 supercharged is a very underated engine, my old c32 amg was a flier and on a straight would show a CSL a clean pair of heels, unfortunately the 203 chassis is not the best, although it could be made better.
If it handled well from the factory it would have been an M3 killer.
I would be in a 204 C63 AMG right now if only they handled better:banghead:, merc make great engines, but put them in cars for old men to drive

That is another project idea, strip out a c32 amg, cage, suspension, brakes, manual box, decent tyres, I know if it was made to handle well it would be a devastatingly quick car

[The Gorilla]

Hi Lawsy,

Yes, the 6 speed box is from a E class 270 CDi.

Its the only 6 speed Manual Box Merc make that is rated
for 400nm Torque.

Its almost identical ratios to a BMW 6 Speed/ CSL box
save that first is 4.45. So its almost a C/R box.

Took a lot time to figure out that the M102 bolt
pattern was still being used via the Diesels.

Bolts straight on a Merc 16V Block, but then
the fun begins !!!

In its present build spec, if I get 250 ish BHP from the engine
I will be well pleased, as the car will only be just
over 1100kg when done.

I have access to a DTM Block with 12.5cr Pistons
which if fitted with the 49mm slides, 8 Injectors and Carbon Airbox
set up I have here, then it would be 300 BHP plus, but
I think it would be to 'peaky' an engine for use
on the road, but its an option.

The Merc V6 is one of their best ever engines in my
opinion, and will deliver strong power numbers.

The recent trend on the C43 AMG is to fit the E55
engine which is a straight plug and play,
even down to the ECU etc.
A few have been done in the States now and with a
LSD and a 3.27 rear diff they become uber quick,
for not big money.

I was going to fit a C36 AMG engine, which has been
done several times in a 190 16v, but just preferred the
idea of free revving, light weight, point and squirt
old school roller skate.

Be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Regards,

The Gorilla.