Michelin Cup 2 (two)

[conleth m3]

no probs alex, glad its useful! :thumbs:

[alexk]

hi conleth

Great feedback, many thanks!
Exactly what I wanted to hear to be honest.
My next set will be cup2s and then I can also do a direct comparison on the CSL.

[conleth m3]

hi alex



i've tried a few different versions of cups, on different cars so not able to directly compare but can tell you what ive found, here goes, i apologise for the long winded response but will try and make it as simple as i can



short answer - yes get the cup2's but lower the pressures - lower than cup1's



long answer

ive used original cups on both csl and e46m3 are awesome, as you'll know. correct load rating 87y or 89y i think?



cups used by porsche owners are not the same as the cup+ that are inferior - the e92 m3 bmw fitment, 93/94 speed rating


although they are often marketed as cup+ and printed on the sidewall - on 305 rears but not 235 fronts


n rated cups and cup+ pattern is just a 19inch thing as far as i know, if you order 18inch cups there is no different tread pattern or N rating,


specific cups for porsche are N rated. in 19inch size have a different tread pattern - for 235 section fronts. this has the wider 3 grooves. they are very similar to bmw spec csl original cups, as long as they are the correct 87y speed rating. or 89y rating for the 245/35/19 - as per 997.2 gt3rs


cup+ that ive tried are 245/35/19 section fronts and 265/35/19 rears and have a 93/94 speed rating. on an e46m3. they have the extra groove in the tread pattern. they dont feel like original cups, are more like a road tyre -PS2 - with the cup tread pattern. using these on the ring i've found they feel more like a road tyre for how much grip they have, dont feel like an 'R' tyre - cup/888/trofeo etc


the rears (ive used 305/30/19 (89y - i think) on the gt3) are called cup+ (on the sidewall as well) they have the extra groove in the tread. these are awesome and offer the same grip as original cups on the csl

ive had cup2's fitted to the gt3 since the end of last summer. they feel great. done 4 trackdays in them and have found them to be as good as original cup1's. lap times at least as good (slightly better - but might not be completely down to the tyres) feel like they offer the same level of grip but as its taken a few days to get the pressures right i think they may have better grip overall.

spoke to a michelin guy providing tyre support at a trackday, who suggested running them lower than cup1's.

on the gt3 i ran cup1's at 33psi 36psi rear hot. even 1-2 psi higher or lower felt less grip/less stable. he suggested ~31psi all round. though i have heard from other gt3 owners between 30-33psi works best. ive settled on 31/32 front and 33psi rear hot - which feels great

they are better in the wet than cup1's, still not fantastic though. but wouldnt expect, or really mind that much.

wear is much better. my current set has are less than half worn. so i expect 8-9 trackdays with road milage inbetween. i was getting about 6 days on cup1's on the gt3

hth

conleth

[alexk]

Great news, where did you get that info ? Did they come up with 265/35/18 too for square setup users ?

reifendirekt

some of the GT3 boys really really rate them and they are noticeably better than the old cup tyres in all conditions.

especially damp and wet if a little cold where the old cups were 'entertaining'.

the Cup 2 is not as good as the Trofeo R on track as that is marginally faster.

its the way I am going for my GT3 once the current once are fubarred.

I am not interested in damp and wet conditions.
I only care about performance in the racetrack.
The porsche crew often compare to the cup+ which is inferior to the original cup.
Thats why I dont know and I keep asking.

[Das Chin]

some of the GT3 boys really really rate them and they are noticeably better than the old cup tyres in all conditions.

especially damp and wet if a little cold where the old cups were 'entertaining'.

the Cup 2 is not as good as the Trofeo R on track as that is marginally faster.

its the way I am going for my GT3 once the current once are fubarred.

[Clubber]

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not

Great news, where did you get that info ? Did they come up with 265/35/18 too for square setup users ?

[alexk]

The CSL size is now available at 265/30/19.

Is anyone going to try it anytime soon ?
It would be good to understand if it's an improvement or not so as we can stock up tyres or not

[alexk]

no one ?

[alexk]

Did someone try the cup 2 on track and compared it to original cup tyres ?

[Heisenburg]

Might aswell stockpile the cups off tyre leader in advance.

Billy, are Cups coming to the end of the line?

[Clubber]

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

That's bad news
Although the fronts are available at the moment.

[alexk]

Very high weight ratings for the CSL though.

[Heisenburg]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size.

Got this from Michelin (UK) today...rears are a while away yet;

Future products:
265/30 ZR19 (93Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch April 2015
235/35 ZR19 (91Y) EXTRA LOAD TL Pilot Sport Cup 2 planned launch July 2014

[Clubber]

I put my name on the list at my tyre shop to have the first set of Cup2 when they are produced in our rear size. Also, I am thinking of getting Pirelli Trofeo R, many modified (800HP+) Porsche owners I know swear by it.

[terryb]

Sorry I don't chase laptimes so im happy with Nangkangs

Twat :blalalala: