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  • IamFODI
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    Originally posted by lvm3sm46 View Post
    I am feeling like it's going to blow up lol. Thank you for giving me the go to drive it lol.
    To be clear, I'm not saying it won't blow up tomorrow, either! I can't say either way.

    If it were my car, I wouldn't necessarily park it until the rod bearings could be replaced, but I definitely would minimize driving until then. And I'd do everything I could to get the job done sooner (other than going to a shop that wasn't the absolute most competent one I could find). It's not the probability of failure I'd be scared of; it's the fact that these engines are not cheap to rebuild, and word is the remans don't last as long as the factory-built ones on average (no surprise there).
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  • lvm3sm46
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    I am feeling like it's going to blow up lol. Thank you for giving me the go to drive it lol.

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  • IamFODI
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    Originally posted by lvm3sm46 View Post
    This car is a recent purchase for me. Previous owner had it for 10 years. It's a 2008 with original bearings and presently at 111k miles. Even before I saw this report I was nervous about the bearings. I plan to get them done but I'm low on funds for the next few months.

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    Yep, I'd say it's rod bearing time.

    Not as in your engine's gonna blow up next time you drive it, but this is probably a good time.

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  • lvm3sm46
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    This car is a recent purchase for me. Previous owner had it for 10 years. It's a 2008 with original bearings and presently at 111k miles. Even before I saw this report I was nervous about the bearings. I plan to get them done but I'm low on funds for the next few months.

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  • IamFODI
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    154112 miles on the engine at the time of this sample.

    One HPDE right at the beginning of the OCI. Nothing else worth noting, as far as I remember.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 5
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 4
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 0
    Tin - 1
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 12


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 5
    Sodium - 2
    Potassium - 0


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 41
    Molybdenum - 166
    Antimony - 0
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 0
    Boron - 27


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 20
    Calcium - 2534
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 743
    Zinc - 883


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 1.9% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 19.6 cSt
    TBN - 4.79
    Oxidation - 14
    Nitration - 11
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  • IamFODI
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    148159 miles on the engine at the time of this sample.

    For once, I don't think I have anything interesting to say about this OCI. All I did was drive the car. Average fuel economy is better than it has been for most of the time I've owned the car, so maybe I'm going easier on it.

    I did have to top off about a week before changing the oil. That's gotta be part of why the numbers look so good.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 6
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 2
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 0
    Tin - 0
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 10


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 6
    Sodium - 2
    Potassium - 1


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 47
    Molybdenum - 198
    Antimony - 2
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 4
    Boron - 33


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 18
    Calcium - 3010
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 857
    Zinc - 1034


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 1.8% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 19.9 cSt
    TBN - 6.1
    Oxidation - 13
    Nitration - 10

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  • IamFODI
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    142308 miles on the engine at the time of this sample.

    As mentioned above, had a significant bank 2 misfire issue right at the beginning of this OCI. After the O2 sensor swap, a bottle of Liqui Moly Fuel System Cleaner (no idea if that helped), and a few hundred miles, all seems well.

    Close to the end of the OCI, I had the bank 1 valve cover and oil filter housing gasket replaced. Figured there was significant potential for dirt ingress during those repairs, so I drove mildly and ran another bottle of Liqui Moly Fuel System Cleaner before draining the oil ~550 miles after the repairs.

    Given all that, I imagined I'd see record-breaking fuel dilution, elevated silicon levels, and potentially elevated wear metal numbers. Not sure if I should be happy or puzzled that none of those panned out...


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 8
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 1
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 1
    Tin - 0
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 11


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 8
    Sodium - 3
    Potassium - 1


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 44
    Molybdenum - 187
    Antimony - 4
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 1
    Boron - 33


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 18
    Calcium - 2982
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 859
    Zinc - 1006


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 2.0% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 19.5 cSt
    TBN - 5.04
    Oxidation - 14
    Nitration - 11
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  • IamFODI
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    136939 miles on the engine at the time of sampling. 7134 miles on the oil.

    Figured the longer OCI wouldn't be horrible given that a lot of these miles were from multiple 7+ hour road trips.

    Just after this OCI, I had a crazy misfire issue that seems to have been due to an O2 sensor fault. Assuming that failure didn't happen overnight, I'm sure it affected this sample.

    Looks like the formulation change I thought I was seeing is real. Much more moly, titanium making an appearance, ~half as much boron, and a little less phosphorus vs. the Shell version. Also looks like this new formulation has better viscosity retention. Maybe this product is back in the TWS lineage.

    In the pic, ignore the flag on titanium. They probably flagged it because it wasn't showing up in previous samples and they didn't know this engine has no titanium in it.

    Copying the numbers here because I don't like how Polaris's reports are formatted:



    Wear Metals

    Iron - 7
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 3
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 0
    Tin - 1
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 12


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 7
    Sodium - 3
    Potassium - 0


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 44
    Molybdenum - 178
    Antimony - 0
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 0
    Boron - 30


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 18
    Calcium - 2772
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 791
    Zinc - 950


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 2.0% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 19.0 cSt
    TBN - 4.45
    Oxidation - 13
    Nitration - 8
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  • IamFODI
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    129808 miles on the engine at the time of sampling (minor typo in the report). 4672 miles on the oil.

    1x 2-day track event on this oil (NJMP Lightning, intermediate pace, street tires). Also, a few exhaust leaks and minor emissions system gremlins found and fixed, hence the marginally earlier change; once I saw the problems, I realized I might have been dumping a bunch of fuel and byproducts in the oil for who-knows-how-long, so I wanted to get the oil out of there and start fresh. If the fuel dilution number in this report is any indication, maybe I was right.

    Seems like the formulation has changed. Maybe this is due to BMW's recent switch back to Castrol. Might explain the Ti and higher Mo (Castrol has been using Ti as an additive for a while). Different wear metals profile in this report, too. Starting to wonder if I now have to throw out most of my UOA history. Ugh.

    In the pic, ignore the anomalously low fuel dilution reading on the earliest visible sample. It was not reliable.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 6
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 1
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 2
    Tin - 0
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 11


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 6
    Sodium - 3
    Potassium - 1


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 36
    Molybdenum - 166
    Antimony - 0
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 0
    Boron - 33


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 18
    Calcium - 2816
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 809
    Zinc - 986


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 2.6% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 19.4 cSt
    TBN - 5.23
    Oxidation - 13
    Nitration - 10

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  • IamFODI
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    125133 miles on the engine, 4966 miles on the oil in this sample.

    2x 2-day track events on this oil (NJMP Thunderbolt, intermediate pace, street tires); one event at the beginning of the OCI, and one at the end.

    Aluminum is back down to previous levels and all other wear markers remain low, though fuel remains high.

    In the pic, fuel dilution in a previous sample is blanked out because it turned out not to be reliable.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 8
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 4
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 0
    Tin - 1
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 11


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 5
    Sodium - 6
    Potassium - 1


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 0
    Molybdenum - 70
    Antimony - 0
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 1
    Boron - 56


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 25
    Calcium - 2744
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 937
    Zinc - 1006


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 2.4% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 18.2 cSt
    TBN - 5.24
    Oxidation - 13
    Nitration - 12
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  • IamFODI
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    120167 miles on the engine, 5052 miles on the oil in this sample.

    1 track day on this oil (NJMP, novice pace, street tires), near the end of the OCI. I had to top off with 1L shortly after that track day, so these numbers are probably mitigated slightly by that.

    Tempted to blame the rise in Al on the track day. However, the number is still really low and no other potential wear indicators have changed. #ShrugLife

    Big bump in fuel dilution!

    In the pic, fuel dilution in a previous sample is blanked out because it turned out not to be reliable.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 8
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 7
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 1
    Tin - 1
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 11


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 5
    Sodium - 2
    Potassium - 0


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 0
    Molybdenum - 52
    Antimony - 3
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 0
    Boron - 61


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 38
    Calcium - 2591
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 857
    Zinc - 1038


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 2.4% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 17.6 cSt
    TBN - 4.72
    Oxidation - 12
    Nitration - 11
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    Last edited by IamFODI; 07-22-2021, 01:18 PM.

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  • TexaZ3
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    Honestly, seems like a nice report and healthy engine.

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  • IamFODI
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    Now at 115115 miles on the engine. 5008 miles on the oil in this sample.

    Starting to think my oil consumption is inversely related to how much I drive and how much throttle I use. After reading about oil consumption caused by low cylinder pressures, and noticing I spent a fair amount of time at midrange RPMs and low/moderate throttle, I tried using less RPM and more throttle in everyday driving and taking more opportunities to wind the car out. Since then, despite finding at least one new oil weep (oil filter housing gasket), 1 L top-off intervals have improved slightly to 1700+ mi.

    Fuel dilution in the previous sample is blanked out because it turned out not to be reliable.


    Wear Metals

    Iron - 8
    Chromium - 0
    Nickel - 0
    Aluminum - 1
    Copper - 2
    Lead - 1
    Tin - 1
    Cadmium - 0
    Silver - 0
    Vanadium - 0

    Particle Quantifier (PQ) Index - 12


    Contaminant Metals

    Silicon - 6
    Sodium - 4
    Potassium - 3


    Multi-Source Metals

    Titanium - 0
    Molybdenum - 55
    Antimony - 0
    Manganese - 0
    Lithium - 0
    Boron - 51


    Additive Metals

    Magnesium - 26
    Calcium - 2716
    Barium - 0
    Phosphorus - 875
    Zinc - 972


    Other Contaminants

    Fuel Dilution - 1.8% (GC)
    Soot - <0.1% by vol.
    Water - <0.1% by vol. (FTIR)


    Fluid Properties

    Viscosity @ 100º C - 18.3 cSt
    TBN - 4.33
    Oxidation - 13
    Nitration - 12
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    Last edited by IamFODI; 01-21-2021, 03:34 PM.

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  • IamFODI
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    Originally posted by TexaZ3 View Post
    Looks good. Which company did you use for the oil analysis?
    Polaris Labs. Ordering process is slightly annoying and report format isn't great, but you can get a better test package than Blackstone for less money.


    Originally posted by TexaZ3 View Post
    Spike in lead is something to note, but not enough to worry about.
    That was just in the first sample after I had my rod bearings changed. Probably residual from the original bearings, all of which had visible wear (two were starting to show copper).

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  • TexaZ3
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    Looks good. Which company did you use for the oil analysis?
    Spike in lead is something to note, but not enough to worry about.

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