Will have pics up soon of my Yellow brake kit! :smokin:
One of only 2 kits ever! 8 pot front 4 pot rear! :thumbs:
One of only 2 kits ever! 8 pot front 4 pot rear! :thumbs:
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Dibs on your APs Daz :thumbs:Comment
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Sorry - you said that after you said about disks which I read wrong!
I know the AP calipers aren't monoblock but I can't feel them flex so no bother to me, makes pad changes easy! You can buy an AP monoblock if you want to pay more for it, they even do calipers with a carbon fibre cooling arrangement on the top that accepts a hose - also they do some mental calipers that are miles ahead of the normal monoblock designs in terms of cooling and rigidity, there was an article in race technology magazine or similar about them and how fitted them to a nascar lead to a win in the calipers first outing. Really complex looking things.Comment
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yes you can but the alcon's are the same money as the standard ap'sComment
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HMMMM :119: :119: :119:
Gonna try out some alcon's first me thinks , all a matter of taste and what you want out of them , need to be a big difference to warrant the change , but always open minded :-D
Yellow !! :smt057Comment
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Well I know that people have done 24h races using the same callipers we've got so I think it'll come down to colour
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My point Daz - is that given you've already got bigger brakes on your car and by the sounds of it you're happy with them so I question whether it's a worthwhile expenditure, like I said spend the money on something else. I also personally I really don't think you'll appreciate the difference in the applications you are talking about.
If you were starting out again then pound for pound maybe the Alcons you're looking at are a better option. But monoblock construction and a bigger disc does not necessarily equal superior performance. That said I stress I'm not knocking Alcon stuff, it really is very good.
As manufacturers go I still think AP are benchmark for brakes though.... as NAthan says, if you've got the budget they do some very trick stuff.
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Yeah I know , agree prob not worth the change if was just swapping for the sake of it or colour ! , BUT .. as im using my old e46 M3 in the CSL cup , and needing brakes for that , im going to be purchasing another set , so either Alcon or AP , so might run the AP's on the race car and put the Alcon's on mine or visa versa ... :wink:
Be nice to compare the both on the same car , and everyone has a different driving style , harder on brakes than others etc
Cheers for the input tho :beer:Comment
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okay ... after posting this information on a couple of US based websites I thought the following might be important for those that are thinking about purchasing this kit for track use ...
copied from my post on Mtorque.
I posted info on this setup on m3forums in the States and also cslregister (thinking there would be plenty of interests alll around) ..
I do believe you already have a couple of orders through too as a result.
Anyway, it's now been raised that these calipers might not suit hard out race use (especially if you run race based compounds) - I just thought that people should be aware of it. They are a good upgrade and certain up to the task for road and occasional track use - but these don't appear to be a substitute for Alcons/AP Racings alike it seems.
I am not here to slam the kit or anything - I still think for the money it's a great setup.Comment
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Now thats not good burnt like a crisp and the piston looks crackedComment
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You do get what you pay for , and I guess it depends how much track stuff you intend doing or very hard driving ! :whistle:Comment
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It's my car the kit's been fitted to. I'm still taking it easy as they've just been fitted, but I can already feel a LOT more bite in the brakes, inspiring a lot more confidence, which is the one thing I've always felt the M3 let itself down on.
I'll give more detailed feedback after my next trackday in February as I don't use the car much these days.
The kit on my car consists of BMW Performance yellow 6 pot Brembo callipers with Brembo pads, M3 CSL 345mm x 28mm floating discs, plus Goodridge braided hoses.
Here's the calipers themselves...
Fronts...
Backs...
I'd been looking at AP's, and there's no doubting that they're the nuts, but I couldn't justify the outlay of just over £2,000 for the fronts with the car not being a full-on trackday weapon. These came in at less than half that with the hoses, and I'll probably be getting the rears fitted at some point too.
I was curious about the post of the damaged calipers when I first saw it, but I've since read the following...
Phew. If it's good enough for the GT3, it's good enough for my lowly M3.Originally posted by m3forum.netComment
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Yellow !!! lol
Love the look / and a good mid way point ....
Winds
Needs suspension now :whistle: :wink: ... even better with that gap removed !!Comment
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From Mtorque and M2forum before that!..
More Info coming in from one of my 135 gurus...
It is the same exact caliper. (as the 135)
It uses the exact same pads.
Current aftermarket pad choices- Carbotech, Hawk should be out "any day"
The nuking pistons was due to non-stock pads that DID NOT have the titanium backing plates to properly dissipate/distribute the heat.
It has been confirmed by Brembo that the pistons/seals are the same as used in the Porsche GT3 cup car so its highly unlikely to be a caliper design issue...
It is true, this is a road setup that can do track days.
It isn't trying to compete with AP Racing / Alcon.
The thread that was raised in the US RE the crackerd 135i piston, has been fully examined and as posted above, was down do incorrect pad choice, lack of heat dispipating heat shield, not the manufacture or choice of piston - they're the same as the Porsche GT3 Cup pistons and dust shields as clarified by Brembo direct.
ant.Comment
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A wee update on the cracking piston issue fellas ...
It seems it's a ceramic insert issue rather than the piston cracking (piston is stainless)
Have a read - even has an AP Racing guy giving his 2 cents on the whole thing.
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