OK...I think I'm converted

[Andyk]

I know I'm Mr Standard....but I think I may have been a little hasty.

Went to Llandow yesterday with eric (shake and bake) it peed down all moring...these cars are awesome in the wet. Could not believe the confidence I had in the car and my little ability...............Pics to follow later.

My brakes where OK but they did take a battering along with tyres as Llandow is a small circuit....but I could not believe the difference in braking distances between my standard brakes (well EBC and braided hoses) and Erics AP's. FECKING AWESOME I GOT TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE:drool:. I am big enough to admit I was wrong - they where stunning....

Hold on I haven't finished yet...Erics car had spacers on which made the car look very mean next to mine.....I'VE GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THOSE:drool:.

There I've said it and come to the dark side...I do feel better now.

Out of interest what effect will spcers have to the handling...anything at all or is it just for looks....Also is it an expensive mod.

[SpineOnABap]

Just put some Cups on (presume he was on them and you weren't?) and some decent brake pads (eg Pagid RS14) that can take the sustained 'abuse', because the AP kit alone wouldn't make that much difference to braking distances like you say you saw.

[DazBlackCSL]

I know I'm Mr Standard....but I think I may have been a little hasty.

Went to Llandow yesterday with eric (shake and bake) it peed down all moring...these cars are awesome in the wet. Could not believe the confidence I had in the car and my little ability...............Pics to follow later.

My brakes where OK but they did take a battering along with tyres as Llandow is a small circuit....but I could not believe the difference in braking distances between my standard brakes (well EBC and braided hoses) and Erics AP's. FECKING AWESOME I GOT TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE:drool:. I am big enough to admit I was wrong - they where stunning....

Hold on I haven't finished yet...Erics car had spacers on which made the car look very mean next to mine.....I'VE GOT TO GET ME SOME OF THOSE:drool:.

There I've said it and come to the dark side...I do feel better now.

Out of interest what effect will spcers have to the handling...anything at all or is it just for looks....Also is it an expensive mod.

:hahaha::supz:

Welcome to the dark side !! Spacers £50 ish and give it a slightly wider track so a little better handling, and in my experience the AP's do make a difference both when I did not have them and then when I did.
Me and a mate with CSL (without AP) were at the ring in sept , he said if he had braked when I did he would of been in the armco :hahaha:

[Andyk]

Just put some Cups on (presume he was on them and you weren't?) and some decent brake pads (eg Pagid RS14) that can take the sustained 'abuse', because the AP kit alone wouldn't make that much difference to braking distances like you say you saw.

No he was on Conti's the same as me.....The AP's def made a huge difference.

[SpineOnABap]

No he was on Conti's the same as me.....The AP's def made a huge difference.

If you pump over £2k of your hard-earned into an AP upgrade, expecting to see reduced braking distances, then you're going to be seriously disappointed.

If you just want to see a reduction in stopping distances like you say you saw, then put some Cups on.

[Bealo]

If you pump over £2k of your hard-earned into an AP upgrade, expecting to see reduced braking distances, then you're going to be seriously disappointed.

If you just want to see a reduction in stopping distances like you say you saw, then put some Cups on.

I totally disagree, i would say without a shadow of doubt that the AP's are by far the best mod you can do to a CSL.

The difference in braking distance and confidence they gave me was incredible compared to the standard set up.

If the Cups come anywhere near to being an improvement then i'm in for a treat when i get mine on when i get home.

[shimmy]

You font really get reduced stopping distances with AP and good pads but what you to get is consistently good stopping distances without heat fade making you feel like your stopping shorter but in reality you are just maintaining good braking and others are getting worse

Better Tyres like cups actually improve grip and stop you shorter.

[SpineOnABap]

You font really get reduced stopping distances with AP and good pads but what you to get is consistently good stopping distances without heat fade making you feel like your stopping shorter but in reality you are just maintaining good braking and others are getting worse

Better Tyres like cups actually improve grip and stop you shorter.

Absolutely.

"If the Cups come anywhere near to being an improvement"

You'll see dramatically reduced braking distances, I'd say about 8m from 70mph-0mph.

[Bealo]

Absolutely.

"If the Cups come anywhere near to being an improvement"

You'll see dramatically reduced braking distances, I'd say about 8m from 70mph-0mph.

Cool, in that case i really can't wait to try the Cups out.....

[SpineOnABap]

Cool, in that case i really can't wait to try the Cups out.....

You'll struggle to get them upto full temp on the road, but even at the levels you can achieve they are simply leagues ahead of PS2/Conti/etc. On track, where you can achieve the ideal temps, the game is raised to another level again.

[Bealo]

You'll struggle to get them upto full temp on the road, but even at the levels you can achieve they are simply leagues ahead of PS2/Conti/etc. On track, where you can achieve the ideal temps, the game is raised to another level again.

I have read on here that everyone says use 32psi hot on track for the cups but do you know what is the optimum operating temp for them? ( i have just bought a set of those tyresure gauges for the wheels.


Sorry for the thread hijack Andy :whistle:

[SpineOnABap]

That's right yeah. On the road I'd probably run about that COLD.

[SpineOnABap]

SAW 6

Three CSL are travelling side by side along the M6 at 70mph. It's a beautiful sunny day and everythings lovely. BUT OH NO, suddenly a huge hole appears 40meters up the road, and there's a horrible pit of fire below.
The brakes are instantly stamped on - but two of them are going to get a severe tanning session :hahaha:

Which one do you choose? Live or die the choice is yours

CSL#1 - Bog standard factory CSL with PS2 tyres
CSL#2 - Bog standard factory CSL except AP 365mm/6pot RS29 brakes with PS2 tyres
CSL#3 - Bog standard factory CSL with Cup tyres

[Bealo]

SAW 6

Three CSL are travelling side by side along the M6 at 70mph. It's a beautiful sunny day and everythings lovely. BUT OH NO, suddenly a huge hole appears 40meters up the road, and there's a horrible pit of fire below.
The brakes are instantly stamped on - but two of them are going to get a severe tanning session :hahaha:

Which one do you choose? Live or die the choice is yours

CSL#1 - Bog standard factory CSL with PS2 tyres
CSL#2 - Bog standard factory CSL except AP 365mm/6pot RS29 brakes with PS2 tyres
CSL#3 - Bog standard factory CSL with Cup tyres

LOL

CSL 3 :thumbs: :thumbs:

[bryce]

haha SpineOAB :hahaha:

Andy, wtf? :hahaha:

As many have said, braking distances wont improve - they'll just stay consistantly good due to less fade. I fancy a BBK but still cant justify the cost involved, so I think I'll just do fluid, hoses and pads in the time being.

Spacers do look good, Mark and Gaz are running them and they look awesome. Make sure you get hubcentric ones - they have an extra lip for your wheel to sit on - and you'll need extended bolts.

Daz is sending me an old set of his, when he plucks up the courage to go round the ex's :hahaha: