Opinions please!!!

[shane@mbtech]

Guys an gals, im thinking of buying a csl,

Im torn between keeping my evo, (esp after reading comparison on this site on other post).

I will be putting ap's and kw if i do buy, but will i be making the right decision,

There is one particular csl which is drawing my attention, anyone know it as dont want to waste a journey from liverpool to london to view a dog, as i viewed a dog recently and was not impressed, it was described as mint:banghead:

any info on this car would be great, :thumbs:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/968144.htm

[dave1]

the csl is far more involving and rewarding to drive and easier to live with
i have had 6 or 7 evo's i love them before the csl i could not find anything to compare.

the only small fly in the ointment is the money i think the main reason some people have gone evo to csl then back to evo is because given the current climate evo's are totally amazing value for money there was an ix fq340 on ebay this week for £14k and a ix gt on the mlr for the same whereas csl's are holding there value, i might have to do the same as im buying a property at the mo

just my opion of course:thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Seems a very good price with the F/B APs and mileage in the best colour choice :whistle: Just checked 3 previous owners too. It looks a blinder! :thumbs:

not yours by any chance ha ha,

[karbonkid]

Seems a very good price with the F/B APs, low mileage & in the best colour choice :whistle: Just checked 3 previous owners too. It looks a blinder! :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

the csl is far more involving and rewarding to drive and easier to live with
i have had 6 or 7 evo's i love them before the csl i could not find anything to compare.

the only small fly in the ointment is the money i think the main reason some people have gone evo to csl then back to evo is because given the current climate evo's are totally amazing value for money there was an ix fq340 on ebay this week for £14k and a ix gt on the mlr for the same whereas csl's are holding there value, i might have to do the same as im buying a property at the mo

just my opion of course:thumbs:

Its not the financial side its the speed side, dont really want to be slower in the csl, my evo is 450bhp, i understand totally different driving styles etc etc from evo to csl,

Im just not sure, its really doing my head in at the moment,:banghead::banghead:

[karbonkid]

:hahaha: Looks similar & might even make an offer as a run around to keep the mileage down on mine as coming up to 30k. :banghead: A great investment thou. I rate them in a different league to an Evo. Perhaps because I havent been there, but have added class..

[deleted_user_0_csl]

lawsy - don't base your decision on my data logger post comparing the two. That was for fun - for one thing it was on different days so the track conditions were different (although both dry). The other is that its mostly down to driver as well - if you were basing a decision purely on what I'd posted then you'd have to come to the following conclusions:

1. The Evo is faster in a straight line (more bhp and torque)
2. The CSL on 888s corners as well as, sometimes better/faster than the Evo on Slicks, therefore the CSL must corner much better than an Evo if it was on slicks as well
3. The CSL allows you to brake later than the Evo
4. The Evo has a higher corner entry speed but the CSL has caught up mid corner.

All of which is bollocks - the only thing in the list above that you can compare is the fact that the Evo is clearly faster in a straight line. The rest is down to differences in the driver and driving style. If my data logs were the same (professional) driver who was experienced in both cars and was driving both logs on the same day, then yes you could compare them. Unfortunately neither the Evo driver nor I are pros, well perhaps drinking pros :hahaha:

They are both great cars and I imagine you will have fun with either - obviously I'm biased to the CSL as I love RWD, but as ever the choice is yours! :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

:hahaha: Looks similar & might even make an offer as a run around to keep the mileage down on mine as coming up to 30k. :banghead: A great investment thou. I rate them in a different league to an Evo. Perhaps because I havent been there, but have added class..

I know what you mean about differences between the 2,, but class knows no boundaries, the evo is serious tool, easier to drive than the csl on the limit but still a very good car, and extremely fast.

I may call him about the csl, with possibility of a viewing, but im still in 2 minds, my evo gearbox will be sorted this week and i may love it once again, but for over a year now the csl has been calling me, and continues to do so:banghead:

[shane@mbtech]

:smokin:

lawsy - don't base your decision on my data logger post comparing the two. That was for fun - for one thing it was on different days so the track conditions were different (although both dry). The other is that its mostly down to driver as well - if you were basing a decision purely on what I'd posted then you'd have to come to the following conclusions:

1. The Evo is faster in a straight line (more bhp and torque)
2. The CSL on 888s corners as well as, sometimes better/faster than the Evo on Slicks, therefore the CSL must corner much better than an Evo if it was on slicks as well
3. The CSL allows you to brake later than the Evo
4. The Evo has a higher corner entry speed but the CSL has caught up mid corner.

All of which is bollocks - the only thing in the list above that you can compare is the fact that the Evo is clearly faster in a straight line. The rest is down to differences in the driver and driving style. If my data logs were the same (professional) driver who was experienced in both cars and was driving both logs on the same day, then yes you could compare them. Unfortunately neither the Evo driver nor I are pros, well perhaps drinking pros :hahaha:

They are both great cars and I imagine you will have fun with either - obviously I'm biased to the CSL as I love RWD, but as ever the choice is yours! :thumbs:

Im not basing my decision solely on your post, its just one of many inputs, lots pro evo, lots pro csl.

I too love rwd, having had many high powered mercedes amg kompressors, lots of high speed sideways action:smokin: just not too hot at handling in a csl way.

Im just in 2 minds what to do, i suppose i really need to drive a csl on a long term test drive, but thats hard to do,
Maybe i could keep the evo as well, hmm decisions :banghead::banghead:

[the bear]

Hi guys,

I also have been looking at this csl alot over the last few weeks, did anybody notice that the m3csl badge is on the wrong place on the boot lid, maybe the car has been rear ended, apart from that it looks good.

Cheers,

GARY.

[shimmy]

Hi guys,

I also have been looking at this csl alot over the last few weeks, did anybody notice that the m3csl badge is on the wrong place on the boot lid, maybe the car has been rear ended, apart from that it looks good.

Cheers,

GARY.

although common for the L to break off when cleaning so could just be replaced badly!

[the bear]

Im sorry but I do not agree, I dont have a csl yet but I do have a e30 m3 sport evo show car and if I broke part of the badge off, it would definitely be put back on the place it came off, if you broke the L off would you not know if the badge was to go above or below the line on the boot lid I know that I would put it above the line and im sure you would too. It put me right off that csl.

Cheers,

GARY.

[shane@mbtech]

Im sorry but I do not agree, I dont have a csl yet but I do have a e30 m3 sport evo show car and if I broke part of the badge off, it would definitely be put back on the place it came off, if you broke the L off would you not know if the badge was to go above or below the line on the boot lid I know that I would put it above the line and im sure you would too. It put me right off that csl.

Cheers,

GARY.

Me too, glad you pointed it out:thumbs:

[Andyk]

I always find the comparison between CSL and Evo an odd one....I never owned an Evo but driven many and I would say they are 2 very different cars to be honest. CSL is a far more involving car to drive where as I found the Evo was all about neck breaking acceleration. All depends what you want from a car to be honest..the CSL is def easier to live with everyday as I found the ride much better and it's a nicer place to be sat in, but a turbo car will always have that eye popping shove to scare your passengers.....not that the CSL doesn't impress....once you hear the induction roar you will never go back. Well I say that but a few have on here.

The CSL was made for the track...the Evo was made for the rally....2 very different cars I would say.

You will only know if a CSL is for you once you have driven one....get yourself out there and have a go.:thumbs:

[glendog74]

Agree with Andyk, the Evo and CSL are two cars with two very different design principles and characters.

I only ever owned one Evo - a mildly tuned VI TME and it really was a fun car to drive and to drive rather fast scaring any passenger that dared to sit next to me! The 4WD really inspired confidence in the car and it's abilities (especially in the wet) - maybe too much at times! I think that i simply tired of it after a while as there were too many compromises to ownership and my wallet was always rather empty! Without wishing to sound snobby, I think i just 'grew out' of it and wanted something without the 'turbo nutter' image! My only one regret was never tracking the car but i do not for one minute wish to go back :blalalala:

The CSL on the other hand is a different kettle of fish altogether! I wont bore you with everything that is great about it but it really is superb as an everyday car and if used properly on track - a simply awesome car! I would only really consider a 997 GT3 as a replacement, and that would take some serious money to afford - for minimal performance gain on track...

Yes, the Evo may be faster in a straight line and give that 'turbo buzz' but its not a patch on that special feeling of ownership satisfaction and exclusivity that the CSL gives you. Just my opinion... :whistle: