Do the CSLs suffer with hot brakes?

[glendog74]

how do the pagids compare to ds2500's then?

I wouldn't mind trying something else in my :supz:AP's:supz:

Like night and day mate - I wouldn't use DS2500s again on track.

I have good experience of Questmead too - very good customer service & advice :thumbs:

[northernjim]

I'm thinking of getting a more abrasive compound pad for track days, and keeping the ferodos for day to day....


but which compound pagids do people use?

rs 5, rs14, rs 15, 29's, 4-2-4!!

[shimmy]

Like night and day mate - I wouldn't use DS2500s again on track.

DS2500 shouldnt be used on track, you will get deposits and think your discs are fecked, same with RS421 and probably a few more fast road pads, great on road, no squeal but troublesome on track.

Ive tried most pagids and would say for track use Rs29 and Rs14 are great with Rs14 the better on road of the two. RS15 are a little to aggressive on the discs you will find but ok maybe of you are on a racing budget, but road use even worse

PF01 much like Rs29 but last abit longer and not so prone to break up in the last 5mm of pad.

[northernjim]

DS2500 shouldnt be used on track, you will get deposits and think your discs are fecked, same with RS421 and probably a few more fast road pads, great on road, no squeal but troublesome on track.

Ive tried most pagids and would say for track use Rs29 and Rs14 are great with Rs14 the better on road of the two. RS15 are a little to aggressive on the discs you will find but ok maybe of you are on a racing budget, but road use even worse

PF01 much like Rs29 but last abit longer and not so prone to break up in the last 5mm of pad.

:beer:cheers mr shimmster:smt055

[shimmy]

currently run Rs14 front and DS2500 rear on track and sometimes swap back to DS2500 front for longer periods of road use (no squeal and less brake dust)

but equaly happy with RS29 and PF01 tbh on the fronts:thumbs:

[northernjim]

would you say that these pagids are much more abrasive than 2500's then? I'm not too bothered, just as long as they work:thumbs:



do you know which calipers your AP kit uses on your cars?


I have the cp7040, they[the pagids] should be easy enough to get hold of if they are the same.....




trundles off to search for some on the t'interweb....

[shimmy]

would you say that these pagids are much more abrasive than 2500's then? I'm not too bothered, just as long as they work:thumbs:



do you know which calipers your AP kit uses on your cars?


I have the cp7040, they[the pagids] should be easy enough to get hold of if they are the same.....




trundles off to search for some on the t'interweb....

Rs421 Pagids are similar to DS2500

Pagid Rs29, 14, 15 more abrasive and track focused

[AlexGTT]

I use RS 29's all round and have no issues on road or track. Front AP disc's were not good on mine. I find PF far better. I have AP's all round but run standard discs on the back. Usually find them a bit grumbly on the road from cold but that soon goes away when they're nicely warmed up.

Absolutely no fade on track, even on hard braking tracks. No need for cooling ducts unless you plan on racing.

[englebert]

2500s are frankly a stupid standard fit by AP.

PF discs and Pagids are the way forward!

[shimmy]

I spoke to AP about this and they had a deal with Ferrodo at the time and DS 3000 were too aggressive and corrosive to the rims.

Reading between the lines I think they were suggesting that people using the 2500 on track has backfired on them

[Curly]

RS14 take some beating on track and cheaper than the RS29's

[Mark S]

I've had my csl since March 07 and have done 18k miles and 28 trackdays with the same OEM discs/calipers and 2 sets of RS29's. The discs have not been skimmed, but they are a bit thin. Maybe i dont try hard enough :hahaha:


After getting some grief (from Curly) and trying a car with AP's, i bought a full set of AP discs/calipers and RS29's in August and fitted them for Donny in September. They seem quite good (compared to OEM's) and there is no vibration yet, but i have only done 1 trackday.


On a different subject, a mate has bought an E46 M3 with standard brakes and the calipers are aluminium/burnt. Does anyone know who would re-paint or refurbish the calipers in south Manchester? and how much is a fair price?

[phat///M3]

On a different subject, a mate has bought an E46 M3 with standard brakes and the calipers are aluminium/burnt. Does anyone know who would re-paint or refurbish the calipers in south Manchester? and how much is a fair price?

Easily done by yourself with some brake caliper paint (clean, prep, paint, done).