Performance Friction Pads!!

[shimmy]

One word if you are going to AP or Brembo your CSL: Alcons :supz:

i have to say i dont think Alcons can be better for the car as my AP callipers have been absolutely superb/faultless in the 50k miles they have done so far and ?? trackdays. I ma getting them refurbed next week just in case!!

BUT if i had m time again i think i may try ALCONS anyway although it does limit the pad and disc options

[mattCSLnut]

WOW ! 50 000 miles and no probs. That's impressive :shock:

[Ade]

i have to say i dont think Alcons can be better for the car as my AP callipers have been absolutely superb/faultless in the 50k miles they have done so far and ?? trackdays. I ma getting them refurbed next week just in case!!

BUT if i had m time again i think i may try ALCONS anyway although it does limit the pad and disc options

APs are a well engineered product that I would expect to last 50k miles, and then some.

ALCONS are a little bit better in all ways (except for the ease of pad change), as used in FIA GT, by Prodrive on the WRC cars, etc. Given the intended use of Alcons, there are enough pads available - certainly all the main/common ones on the TD scene.

If you already had APs, I think the need to change is negligible. But i agree with you that if you had the choice to do it from OEM now, then Alcons are a definite consideration. They served me well in over 30k miles on the GT3! (same set of discs lasted that entire time with RS29s which imho is just amazing considering the mixed track and road use)

[shimmy]

APs are a well engineered product that I would expect to last 50k miles, and then some.

ALCONS are a little bit better in all ways (except for the ease of pad change), as used in FIA GT, by Prodrive on the WRC cars, etc. Given the intended use of Alcons, there are enough pads available - certainly all the main/common ones on the TD scene.

If you already had APs, I think the need to change is negligible. But i agree with you that if you had the choice to do it from OEM now, then Alcons are a definite consideration. They served me well in over 30k miles on the GT3! (same set of discs lasted that entire time with RS29s which imho is just amazing considering the mixed track and road use)

Ade

what pad profile do they use up front? And are they common?

[Ade]

Ade

what pad profile do they use up front? And are they common?

It is the Alcon Mono6 caliper upfront, and the Mono4 for the rear.

Front pad template is the Pagid E8028 and Ferodo FRP3081

The Mono6 and Mono4 calipers have been around for some time - they are also the exact same calipers being touted by Alcon for the latest GTR etc. The caliper and pad template blueprints are available on the Alcon website.

Have a look here: http://www.alcon.co.uk/advantage_extreme.htm

[_Nathan_]

"Alcon are a little bit better in all ways" - well they aren't cheaper, they won't stop you any faster, they won't give advantages with regard to fade so erhaps not better in all ways Better disks for sure though and like Shimmy if I were starting from OEM I'd take a look at them without a doubt.

The tyre is the limiting factor in stopping distances and you don't get any fade with the common AP kit anyway so difficult to improve on those areas. AP make monoblock calipers too if that is really a consideration, and water cooled ones if you are as heavy on the brakes as Fuchs

They are all good kits, pick the one that meets your budget and buy from somewhere that will give you the support you need.

AP rebuilt and resealed all pistons on both front callipers including having to fit 2 new pistons due to corrosion and I was only charged for the seal kits, that sent them right up in my estimation

[Ade]

They are all good kits, pick the one that meets your budget and buy from somewhere that will give you the support you need.

I certainly agree with that!

[shimmy]

why Rs14 are better than Rs29!

[_Nathan_]

Now do a graph that shows disk and pad wear :P

[shimmy]

Now do a graph that shows disk and pad wear :P

i agree that RS14 wear faster (only last 3/4 as long) but i dont think they are any worse on the discs tbh :thumbs:

[Curly]

RS15 are the dadies:thumbs:but watch them discs