Track Slag part II

[_Nathan_]

That must be were we are getting our wires crossed - I'm talking about building a track car from a CSL, not retaining the comfortable stuff or any pretence of resale value, therefore the standard of repair would be identical for both CSL and M3 base car. As an example I got a rear bumper for my CSL for £80 + paint, though it looked quite good with the rear bumper missing, like mad max, pic attached

Ball park - identical for CSL or M3 if you want them both done to the same standard :P

If you decide to keep metal doors I've got some silver grey ones with the door bars and excess metal cut out - fix your car up a treat, and already the right colour

[Hazy]

That must be were we are getting our wires crossed - I'm talking about building a track car from a CSL, not retaining the comfortable stuff or any pretence of resale value, therefore the standard of repair would be identical for both CSL and M3 base car. As an example I got a rear bumper for my CSL for £80 + paint, though it looked quite good with the rear bumper missing, like mad max, pic attached

Ball park - identical for CSL or M3 if you want them both done to the same standard :P

If you decide to keep metal doors I've got some silver grey ones with the door bars and excess metal cut out - fix your car up a treat, and already the right colour

Now you tell me!!!!:banghead::banghead::banghead: Car is all repaired and good to go :thumbs: I am deffo interested in those fibreglass doors if you could give me the details pls mate?

[DuncanR]

Got you now Lawsy ..sorry mate... the main thrust is a fast track car ... not nessecesssarillly a CSL one ....doh ! mmm Depending on what future decisions I make , i too may be looking for a cheaper track slag ... ponders ...

Love the look without a rear bumper !!

[shane@mbtech]

You are assuming that for some reason a CSL isn't allowed to get stone chips in the same way an M3 is?

Not running standard bumper, that was sold

All of your examples are just a case of personal standards, an M3 door is the same as a CSL door, if you choose to bodge a repair and leave it looking pikey then it is the same on either car.

In both cases insurance is only there for a big one, no point claiming for cosmetic stuff.

Regardless of the base car you end up with something similar in cost to repair IMO, CSL just has a better engine, lighter roof, lighter boot lid, lighter loom, less horrible tar to worry about, faster steering rack, better ABS calibration etc etc All of which can be copied but then the difference in cost once you've sold the CSL bits becomes negligible.

Not having a go at you personally I just sometimes don't get the way the CSL is seen as something so special and not to be touched on here yet a normal M3 isn't, they are both just cars!

Adam gets my point exactly,

I have no intention of keeping the csl, and with nearly a 15k difference between the two cars it means a great difference, a tatty csl with numerous repairs and non csl front bumper will be worth a lot less than clean one with csl bumper.

I dont see any difference for total strip out, caged track/race use csl vs m3, except about 15k price difference. That is my reasoning for stripping/tracking the m3, and having csl as road car, with view to sell it in the future.

The m3 I intend to keep. But if I sell it I wont lose out. It is purely financial decision.

[daniel_csl]

for 2k you can always go for a carbon air intake with alpha-n remap and pretend it is a csl:thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

what's 15k amongst friends.............

6 Ring trip
2 trackdays at spa
2 uk trackdays

wear & tear+ petrol + brakes + tyres and circuit hire.

I nearly forgot the BEER = 15K

one years track budget = fook all

I have had my CSL 6 years on track = £2,500 extra to track a CSL over an m3 and the csl will still have less depreciation than an M3

T$ advice get a better job

DO YOU LIKE MY MATHS? LOL

[_Nathan_]

Do you honestly think that Thorneys CSL cup race car based on a CSL is worth less because it hasn't got a CSL bumper on it? Same goes for the intersport CSL, mentally fast, for track cars no one cares what fancy form over function parts are on the car. For track work there are much better options, lighter, with brake cooling and better aero, and cheaper to repair.

Numerous CSLs have sold for sub 20k, assume we are comparing a £20k CSL with a £10k M3, if you want better examples of each call it £12k v £22k.

Sell CSL bumper for say £900 more than you can sell an M3 bumper for
Sell CSL boot lid for say £400 more than you can sell an M3 bootlid for
Sell CSL interior for say £3000 more than you can sell an M3 interior for
Sell CSL wheels for say £300 more than you can sell m3 wheels for
Sell CSL Steering wheel, wallet, exhaust parts in fact anything CSL related you have left for a few quid here and there, call it £500?

Fit Carbon Roof £1k
Fit Airbox and Map £2k
Fit faster steering rack £1k
Sort out ABS on standard car - ???

less hassle with stripping wiring loom as it is miles smaller, less hassle with removing sound proofing.

You end up with a better car IMO for only a few quid more, even if you up the M3 to CSL spread the difference one the cars are fully built is no where near as much.

As soon as you weld a full cage in you destroy resale as a road car anyway so all the points about having to keep it immaculate are irrelevant.

I weighed it up carefully and having owned my CSL since it was 3.5k miles old decided to stick with a car I knew and knew what had been changed when, what faults it had had etc etc, a few grand in the scheme of building and running one of these cars is nothing!

Not saying what you are doing is wrong but simply defending my position of suggesting that the repair prices on a track car are identical on M3 and CSL and being called crazy for it :beer:
Having said that the 05 plate M3 CS that UB on here bought was a bargain, very good plate to start from at around £10k as it already has the better ECU, steering rack, DSC, steering wheel etc.

I'm sure your car will be great, now get on and finish it :thumbs: :smt055

[mattCSnoL]

what's 15k amongst friends.............

6 Ring trip
2 trackdays at spa
2 uk trackdays

wear & tear+ petrol + brakes + tyres and circuit hire.

I nearly forgot the BEER = 15K

one years track budget = fook all

I have had my CSL 6 years on track = £2,500 extra to track a CSL over an m3 and the csl will still have less depreciation than an M3

T$ advice get a better job

DO YOU LIKE MY MATHS? LOL

TANKSLAPPER maths = Priceless

[shane@mbtech]

Do you honestly think that Thorneys CSL cup race car based on a CSL is worth less because it hasn't got a CSL bumper on it? Same goes for the intersport CSL, mentally fast, for track cars no one cares what fancy form over function parts are on the car. For track work there are much better options, lighter, with brake cooling and better aero, and cheaper to repair.

Numerous CSLs have sold for sub 20k, assume we are comparing a £20k CSL with a £10k M3, if you want better examples of each call it £12k v £22k.

Sell CSL bumper for say £900 more than you can sell an M3 bumper for
Sell CSL boot lid for say £400 more than you can sell an M3 bootlid for
Sell CSL interior for say £3000 more than you can sell an M3 interior for
Sell CSL wheels for say £300 more than you can sell m3 wheels for
Sell CSL Steering wheel, wallet, exhaust parts in fact anything CSL related you have left for a few quid here and there, call it £500?

Fit Carbon Roof £1k
Fit Airbox and Map £2k
Fit faster steering rack £1k
Sort out ABS on standard car - ???

less hassle with stripping wiring loom as it is miles smaller, less hassle with removing sound proofing.

You end up with a better car IMO for only a few quid more, even if you up the M3 to CSL spread the difference one the cars are fully built is no where near as much.

As soon as you weld a full cage in you destroy resale as a road car anyway so all the points about having to keep it immaculate are irrelevant.

I weighed it up carefully and having owned my CSL since it was 3.5k miles old decided to stick with a car I knew and knew what had been changed when, what faults it had had etc etc, a few grand in the scheme of building and running one of these cars is nothing!

Not saying what you are doing is wrong but simply defending my position of suggesting that the repair prices on a track car are identical on M3 and CSL and being called crazy for it :beer:
Having said that the 05 plate M3 CS that UB on here bought was a bargain, very good plate to start from at around £10k as it already has the better ECU, steering rack, DSC, steering wheel etc.

I'm sure your car will be great, now get on and finish it :thumbs: :smt055

I was not calling you crazy nathan, you took that wrong, I merely was stating everyones logic varies slightly. I get your point and appreciate your maths.

I have done my maths many times for "my" intended project, my end point for both cars is about 12-15k difference. csl vs m3.

For me the 12-15k in my sky rocket is swaying me, For the track use I intend, the m3 fits the bill perfectly. So im just having a break as i type, from fitting the csl cup alcons:thumbs:, suspension on tomorrow night along with the exhaust.


ps your statement in red is why im keeping the csl standard, as I plan a weld in cage for the M3

[Dan_csl]

Not sure what the price difference is over in the UK ... but why not just buy another CSL (cheapest you can find on the market) and turn that into a track beast? Dilemma solved :beer: (might even work out cheaper once you've sold all the 'special' csl interior bits and bobs and stuff you won't need for turning it into a track car)

Cheapest CSL i've seen over here is 23k for a Cat D write off IIRC!! :banghead:

Flat floor it

I've thought about this many times on previous cars recently, I know someone who is now doing it to a mates car so will see what quality, fit and prices and like and might go for it in the new year!! Knowing the guys other work it'll be stunning and perfect first time! :smokin::smokin:

[phat///M3]

Congrats, cant wait to see how it turns out.

[_Nathan_]

Dan - Several CSLs have been sold for under 20k, not cat Ds either.

I wouldn't flat floor a road car - you need to add diff and gearbox coolers to compensate for the lack of air and consider exit from egine bay too, and you couldn't run the ride height low enough to properly work the diffuser, all IMO obviously.

[Dan_csl]

Dan - Several CSLs have been sold for under 20k, not cat Ds either.

I wouldn't flat floor a road car - you need to add diff and gearbox coolers to compensate for the lack of air and consider exit from egine bay too, and you couldn't run the ride height low enough to properly work the diffuser, all IMO obviously.

Yeah agree mate, it will come with complications, as I say a friend is having it done on his track car at the moment and the chap doing it has a complete carbon (floor and everything) Porsche and knows his stuff, he has degree's in aerodynamics/air flow (I don't know the posh name for it lol) so it should come out well :thumbs:

It's just a thought but see how it turns out, prob not for a road car though as you say

[shane@mbtech]

Updated pics of progress so far:thumbs:

[_Nathan_]

Good stuff - What are you doing with the cage? What points are you taking it to?