Winter and cups =

[jim76]

At the end of the day, we all know where Cups excel and when to use them: in the dry on road or track - Simples!

Exactly!! Why would you take any car out in the poor weather on Cups?? For the sake of a few hundred pounds on winter tyres, which lets be honest, don't need to be the greatest, I would not want to risk wrapping my pride and joy!!

[shimmy]

Exactly!! Why would you take any car out in the poor weather on Cups?? For the sake of a few hundred pounds on winter tyres, which lets be honest, !!

Gayer......

[alexk]

Gayer......

+1

BTW, these are my winter tires :thumbs:

[TANKSLAPPER]

Alex, what make and size are your winter tyres ?

T$

[alexk]

Alex, what make and size are your winter tyres ?

T$

Vredestein Wintrac Extreme
235/35/19 W
265/30/19 W
standard CSL dimensions.
They are very very good. I have them since last winter and they are excellent in rain and snow. Also, they weren't expensive (60% of the price of cups).

PS :
forgot to mention that I had the same brand and type in
Ford mondeo ST220 (sold)
Mini cooper S (sold)
325i E90 (we have it, my wife drives it)
Full marks for these tires

[Dan_csl]

They may have told the customer that, because they frighten the sh1t out of the drivers at the dealerships about these tyres!

I also heard there was a disclaimer to sign upon removing your CSL from the dealership with Cups fitted, to state you understood that the tyres were poor when cold and in damp conditions?? Not sure if that is true, anyone?

The dealers do tell the customers that but as I say it's a total load of bollocks, they really piss me off and sometimes I refuse to deal with them as the sales guys are jumped up little fucks who tell their client anything to get a sale, then we do the insurance and the customer complains because of something they've been told by a salesman! :whistle: :banghead: :banghead:

I've rang them up before and told them if they keep advising on insurance when they arn't regulated they're gonna have a problem! :bigcry: :bigcry: (can you tell this gets my goat :bigcry

About the disclaimer as far as I've been aware thats correct

Alex, love the BBS wheels mate, what are they, CH's?

[jim76]

+1

BTW, these are my winter tires :thumbs:

And I'm gay!! These are chunkier than the tyres on my Range Rover Sport!!! :hahaha:

What kind are they???

[SpineOnABap]

Here you go (if you're interested lol) ... I've uploaded a copy of the PDF tyre declaration that I (and all other purchasers) had to sign at order time back in '03.

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~ephome1/Misc/M3CSLTDEC.PDF

[jim76]

Very interesting, as I've always heard about this disclaimer/declaration but never actually knew if it was true or not.

I must admit, if I had a bump in the snow or ice and was waiting on an insurance assesor coming out, I would be bricking it with Cups on my car! It's all very well for folk to say "yeah they are UK road legal tyres so no worries!" but we all know what insurance companies are like these days for trying to wriggle out of things!

Can you imagine, just for example, you're going to the Motor Show in January, or anywhere else for that matter, it's cold and frosty, and you accidentaly run into the back of a lovely Ferrari 430, which you also nudge into the nice Bentley Continental GT in front of that. I'm sure an insurance company would be interested in trying to find a way out of a claim like that!!

Wouldn't BMW have been asking customers to sign that disclaimer on legal grounds??

[shimmy]

whilst an initially interesting question this now getting silly;

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tyres, although developed very much with track day and competition use in mind, are road legal. They therefore comply with GB law in the ‘Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations, 1986’ – as amended.

A requirement of these regulations is that car tyres must conform to ‘United Nations ECE Regulation 30’. To demonstrate this each tyre carries an ‘E2’ mark on one or both sidewalls and an adjacent type

approval number.


they are road legal, full stop.

All tyres perform differently in different situations but are all within certain perameters defined by MOT tyre rules. You dont get insurance problems by having rubbish slippy Falkons instead of Ps2s :thumbs:

they are the correct size. load rating and speed rating

[TANKSLAPPER]

NOW IT IS GOING TO GET SILLY

Shimmy, bought too many cups tyres LOL

Happy New Year to you

T$

[SpineOnABap]

Gotta agree with Shimmy.

[shimmy]

NOW IT IS GOING TO GET SILLY

Shimmy, bought too many cups tyres LOL

Happy New Year to you

T$

i can see my shares tumblng :bigcry:

[derek]

i can see my shares tumblng :bigcry:

nows the time to buy cups and sell them to Rob in the summer when they are on back order, just before his monthly ring trips :hahaha:

[alexk]

Alex, love the BBS wheels mate, what are they, CH's?

Yes mate, BBS CH (plain silver )