Intrax 1k2 vs KW Clubsport

[DazBlackCSL]

I have run the KW clubsport for a year now with no issues, but think I might try something different on the CSL this year.

I am thinking of trying the intrax, has anyone gone this route or vice-versa?

Thanks

Not had any experience with intrax, only watching curly explode in a ball of smoke in front of me at brands last year when his went BOOM in the race !:hahaha:

Had V3 to start with, now on a clubsport kit / paired with race struts / springs and innners, so a hybrid mix of clubsport and two way race set up (for the road a bit much) dont forget with the clubsports you can change the spring rates too to get an optimum set up ..

Raced on two way KW race kit last year, and all I can say is the most important thing is setting it up correctly, getting the best out of it, sound simple but unless you have a suspension expert with you at track it's so easy to have a bad experience or dislike a kit if it's not set up perfectly .. think rob will back me up on this :whistle:

Been really happy with my new set up, looking forward to getting to grips and tweaking a bit more this year.

As all have already said it appears the intrax are easier to adjust BUT, the KW's are independently adjustable for both bump and rebound, dont think the intrax is ? so you can get a perfectly balanced set up for diff tracks.

KW also has stainless steel housing, which is a must for long life road use, there are some developments coming with the adjusters due sometime this year I think, so will address ease of adjustment.

You get what you pay for I guess, there is better out there Moton etc , but they dont offer a road/ race kit and are big £££.

You can tell im still on the sofa and the missus is shopping :hahaha:

Might be porn time :whistle:

[DazBlackCSL]

plus hazy is now had problems with the kw's and as far as i know kw clubsport dont carry a warranty

What issue's has Hazy had then John ?

[_Nathan_]

Hazy said on another forum they'd had 2 failed dampers - no idea what the nature of those was though.

You can change the spring rate with 1k2s without revalving, they have a huge range of damping adjustment. You can also choose from Ali, steel or titanium bodies.



1k2 have a single adjuster which moves bump and rebound along a pre-defined damping curve, the ability to separately alter rebound, slow bump and fast bump comes further up the model range and to be honest is more than I think is required for trackdays, and for those of us who can't yet drive the car to 100% consistantly (myself included). In my opinion it is miles easier to mess up a set up with more options, with 1K2 you can quickly make changes with no Allan keys and are less likely to end up with a clown car :bigcry:


I assume your more extreme hybrid setup isn't under warranty either daz?

[_Nathan_]

PS. KW race stuff can be used to great effect though, check out the Torquespeed CSL, feckin rapid!

[DazBlackCSL]

Hazy said on another forum they'd had 2 failed dampers - no idea what the nature of those was though.

You can change the spring rate with 1k2s without revalving, they have a huge range of damping adjustment. You can also choose from Ali, steel or titanium bodies.



1k2 have a single adjuster which moves bump and rebound along a pre-defined damping curve, the ability to separately alter rebound, slow bump and fast bump comes further up the model range and to be honest is more than I think is required for trackdays, and for those of us who can't yet drive the car to 100% consistantly (myself included). In my opinion it is miles easier to mess up a set up with more options, with 1K2 you can quickly make changes with no Allan keys and are less likely to end up with a clown car :bigcry:


I assume your more extreme hybrid setup isn't under warranty either daz?

Yeah very true mate, agreed, I found myself doing a lot of trail and error last year, BUT from my experience the KW team are V helpful, and present on most race weekends, and give you access to the tech race team guys who are also around, dont ever see any moton / intrax guys anywhere, but not knocking the product as obviously many on hear are happy with the kit, they just helped me loads last year and helped me develop the car to my driving style, and im not an experienced racer either so needed all the help I could get !! :hahaha: at donny where my car was not feeling good in practice and qually, they helped me with set up, listened to what I wanted and how the car felt, and made some quick adjustments and car was so much better.

Kit is covered, prob not officially but you'll find them very helpful on a one to one basis in the event of any issues

[_Nathan_]

You are talking about cslcup though matey - kw don't attend every race series!

You do strike upon the most important point though, cheap suspension with setup info will be better than expensive stuff without. At Snett the car was set up before we got there and all we did was make 2 clicks adjustment on the front all test day, that knowledge from prior data is awesome and I guess is exactly what you found too.

[DazBlackCSL]

PS. KW race stuff can be used to great effect though, check out the Torquespeed CSL, feckin rapid!

Yep saw that ... and the nurburgring 24 hour race has been won fours years running by the mathey porsche

http://www.manthey-racing.de/

one of the many teams who run KW, must be OK I reckon, these guys could run whatever is the best, and the results speak for themselves...

I love that bloody porsche, Nath fancy a bit of VLN with me :whistle:

[_Nathan_]

Those guys will run whoever pays them most

No VLN this year mate, have a plan hatching though

[DazBlackCSL]

You are talking about cslcup though matey - kw don't attend every race series!

You do strike upon the most important point though, cheap suspension with setup info will be better than expensive stuff without. At Snett the car was set up before we got there and all we did was make 2 clicks adjustment on the front all test day, that knowledge from prior data is awesome and I guess is exactly what you found too.

True yes was at the CSL Cup, so I know there not at all, think the AMD/Miltek golf is running KW race in the BTCC this season, so there slowly growing into the market and across more championships where people are using the kit

[Nords]

I drove the GT3 manual at anglesey on my own and kicked arse Ad,:thumbs:

I was giving a 500+bhp evo x on slicks a good run, he will no doubt be at oulton on the 23rd, matt black evo 10, a proper weapon.

Mick who's car it was, came out with me at first in the passenger seat, I think he was shocked at how fast I was in it. :smokin:

The GT3 is a proper tool. The grip and the brakes where immense, The csl is an awesome car but the 996 gt3 just had that little bit more feel, you knew what every wheel was doing, It was an eyeopener.

Borrowed a 997 RS (for close to 2K miles) and it was more powerful and the traction at low speeds was much better, but my APs (with RS29) are just as good (as std porsche calipers with RS29). With Intrax and cups, the CSL is only a fraction slower around a track

[Nords]

I know what you could try different.................


a 996 gt3

:thumbs:

If you want to be slower...

997 GT3 is about the same....

:whistle:

Iv'e had both first on my csl did 30,000 miles on the intrax with no probs,so easy to adjust you don't need a jack
had a M3 race-road car 08 to 09 on intrax doing 10,000 miles until total faiure on a front strut
09 in the same car kw clubsport not easy to adjust 2000 miles damping not as good as the intrax plus hazy is now had problems with the kw's and as far as i know kw clubsport dont carry a warranty the intrax does simpson's sorted the damaged intrax no quibbles.if i was buying again no question intrax with steel leg tubes.

55K now matey and fine. I might change back to std suspension just to see how much of a diffeence the intrax makes...,

[raCedeSignLtd]

If you want to be slower...

997 GT3 is about the same....

:whistle:




55K now matey and fine. I might change back to std suspension just to see how much of a diffeence the intrax makes...,

I doubt whether I am any quicker in my gt3 than I was in my csl and the csl is the only car I've ever sold and regretted.
On saying that I have not flogged the gt3 and bought another csl so I guess the gt3 has got something that the csl hasn't.

[glendog74]

I am very happy with my KW Clubsport kit so far and agree with Dazza on his observations. :thumbs:

People seem to have the impression that KW kits are hard to adjust - I find they are pretty straightforward once you take 5 minutes to understand what it is you are trying to achieve. You can adjust bump and rebound at all corners without a jack although there is a bit of a knack to it and you might want to cut a small access slit in the boot carpet above the rear shocks. You do need an allen key but that's hardly a ball ache...

Info and help from KW is also good and will only get better as they increase their presence here in the UK. The fact that the shocks are stainless is also good, especially when you compare their cost with other more expensive kits and their steel bodies. With steel bodies on a daily driver, you either become obsessive with keeping under the arches clean or your shock bodies will begin to go bad over time.

[Curly]

What issue's has Hazy had then John ?

im not quite sure daz.. like nathan, i spotted it on another forum - not had a chance to speak to hazy about it. im definitely not an expert but when i had the intrax i had plenty of help from simpsons in regards to the set up, and fine tuned the springs that would work for me. with the kw club sport that raced in the csl cup i felt the springs were a bit hard and we were promised with this kit to have loads of expert and advice at each round. for me, it never really materialised - which was disappointing, because most rounds i was working on my own and had little time to experiment with set up. at the donnington round the kw suspension expert turned out to only speak german:bigcry: plus i found the kw adjusters were a needle and a small alan key, just no where near as easy to use as intrax clicker adjusters. i just found out that out of the slower corners that the intrax hooked up and gripped better for me than the kw. and also with the intrax i could ride the curbs without the car being pitched, and when i did have a failure with the intrax the boss man henk marvin (not him with the 6 string) give me a call and was very apologetic for his product failure and said it would be sorted straight away. for me i can only go off my experience, and was very pleased with the intrax product service, and set up information.

[AlexGTT]

im not quite sure daz.. like nathan, i spotted it on another forum - not had a chance to speak to hazy about it. im definitely not an expert but when i had the intrax i had plenty of help from simpsons in regards to the set up, and fine tuned the springs that would work for me. with the kw club sport that raced in the csl cup i felt the springs were a bit hard and we were promised with this kit to have loads of expert and advice at each round. for me, it never really materialised - which was disappointing, because most rounds i was working on my own and had little time to experiment with set up. at the donnington round the kw suspension expert turned out to only speak german:bigcry: plus i found the kw adjusters were a needle and a small alan key, just no where near as easy to use as intrax clicker adjusters. i just found out that out of the slower corners that the intrax hooked up and gripped better for me than the kw. and also with the intrax i could ride the curbs without the car being pitched, and when i did have a failure with the intrax the boss man henk marvin (not him with the 6 string) give me a call and was very apologetic for his product failure and said it would be sorted straight away. for me i can only go off my experience, and was very pleased with the intrax product service, and set up information.

I have John's old Intrax, though freshly rebuilt. Working an absolute treat so far John. :thumbs:Kept your spring spec which suits me very nicely as well. Only started really playing about with them set up wise last weekend and found them very easy and responsive to adjust.