WARNING !!! clocked SB CSL on eBay

[umran9]

I phoned up the dealer in the original piston head advert last year who remembers the car and told me he sold it to the guy in Germany who then advertised on ebay with lower mileage! Had to make break my virgininty on this post somewhere!:thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

I phoned up the dealer in the original piston head advert last year who remembers the car and told me he sold it to the guy in Germany who then advertised on ebay with lower mileage! Had to make break my virgininty on this post somewhere!:thumbs:

Ahhh OK, now I understand. THANX for the clarification :thumbs: I presume you're referring to Mr. H. Fulford as the said dealer ? the same dealer who showed me the car (over a year ago). So that makes you another person who knows this CSL's genuine mileage was 79 600 over 12 months ago, before it moved back to Ze Fazerland for some mileage manipulation :whistle:
So who's going to be the bearer of bad NEWS and inform the current UK custodial, who trying to sell it with imaginary 67K miles then ? :whistle:
Welcome to the fold...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2135679.htm

[shimmy]

I volunteer Matt

Use your best subtle approach please Matt.

(there is an add on Another forum with it as 77k prior to The owner offloading it to the dealer last year.)

[mattCSLnut]

I volunteer Matt

Use your best subtle approach please Matt.

(there is an add on Another forum with it as 79k prior to The owner offloading it to the dealer last year.)

I volunteer Shimmy :whistle: the Master of subtle :smokin: and my mentor :hahaha:

[Dan_csl]

I volunteer Shimmy :whistle: the Master of subtle :smokin: and my mentor :hahaha:

I'd be about as subtle as a brick so crack on Shimmy! Lol

[Nobody]

I can confirm that I know the person who bought this car. I can also confirm that it was NOT him who tampered with the mileage. After a little bit of research it was infact the German owner who clocked the CSL.

The current owner has been shafted good and proper by the previous owner who's name is Dennis and he's from Dortmund.
The current owner is obviously devastated and does not know what to do.
He bought this car in good faith and he's gutted. I've advised him to put the car onto it's correct mileage, whatever that is! and try and sell it.
He's obviously going to lose a few £££'s but there is nothing else he can do.
Can anyone on here advise if it's worth going after the previous German owner, as it's very obvious now that it's him who clocked the car and he blatantly lied to the current owner. Any advise would be appreciated and before you say it NO it's not my car.

[Dan_csl]

IF the above is true then yes I'd be after the person who clocked it for sure!

I say that as I think things need to be taken with a pinch of salt on this thread now as it's brought a few out of the woodwork!

Sorry your mate has been turned over, a horrible situation to be in

[shimmy]

Tbh if he returns it to 80k miles I doubt if he'd loose much.

I'd stil try to sell it for 20k clean.

[azrael]

im up to 140 cars now, but info drying up,HOW CAN I GET MTORQUE INFO

I can try speaking to Matt who founded bm3w/mtorque

[shimmy]

I can try speaking to Matt who founded bm3w/mtorque

please, but i PMed Elliott who thinks its been binned:bigcry:

[mattCSLnut]

I can confirm that I know the person who bought this car. I can also confirm that it was NOT him who tampered with the mileage. After a little bit of research it was infact the German owner who clocked the CSL.

The current owner has been shafted good and proper by the previous owner who's name is Dennis and he's from Dortmund.
The current owner is obviously devastated and does not know what to do.
He bought this car in good faith and he's gutted. I've advised him to put the car onto it's correct mileage, whatever that is! and try and sell it.
He's obviously going to lose a few £££'s but there is nothing else he can do.
Can anyone on here advise if it's worth going after the previous German owner, as it's very obvious now that it's him who clocked the car and he blatantly lied to the current owner. Any advise would be appreciated and before you say it NO it's not my car.

Hi there "Nobody"
IMHO I think it is worth going after the German seller (if you can get the German Police (local to Dennis) involved + eBay as well, as it's where this CSL was advertised. I informed Dennis, the German seller about the mileage discrepancy, he also tried to lied to me, saying he'll ask the UK seller about the mileage discrepancy, as he knew NOTHING too (Yeah Right). I also reported this item to eBay, at the same time so they knew about it too, yet did nothing to prevent the sale going through. After all, that was the whole point of this Thread.

With regards to putting the mileage back, I think it'll be the best thing for the Authenticity of the said car (since it's mileage discrepancy is so well publicized, in no small part THANX to me :smokin: ) plus trying to sell as a 67 000 mile car while being fully aware of it true, higher mileage, is highly illegal ( strangely, clocking is not, so long as it's disclaimed... go figure )
I think with it's true mileage restore it's still going to be worth minimum £20 000... maybe £22 000 on a good day (low owners and RARE colour) if & when totally detailed to a very high standard... Queue Jay :thumbs:

[azrael]

Difficult to know what the correct mileage should be... no?

[Black CSL Steve]

I had a deal with the present owner of this car........

I did a few checks and a friend in BMW said that the car had just been serviced BUT the last time any dealer see the car was back in 2007 showing 62K miles.

Had to let the owner down, feel really bad telling him the problem with the mileage but felt he had to know

Steve

[mattCSLnut]

Difficult to know what the correct mileage should be... no?

Indeed :smt087 We don't know exactly how many miles Dennis the Clocker did while the car was there for the past 12 months ... plus the car wasn't registered in Germany and stayed on it's UK palates all this time. Sounds like Dennis is a bit of a character :clown:
Just a thought but would interrogating the cars ECU show the true mileage ???

[mattCSLnut]

I had a deal with the present owner of this car........

I did a few checks and a friend in BMW said that the car had just been serviced BUT the last time any dealer see the car was back in 2007 showing 62K miles.

Had to let the owner down, feel really bad telling him the problem with the mileage but felt he had to know

Steve

At least he knows and should go back to "Dennis the Clocker" who SOLD him the car for some answers.
I remember commenting on the 2007 Service stamp when I vied it, saying the car was well & truly overdue for a service, back in September 2009... it's one of many reasons why I walked away from that car, back them.