Nurburgring - Cherry Popped

[deleted_user_0_csl]

I see you blame the Caparo for closing the track and not the fact that there was a pile up which is interesting and suffice to say I don't think the Caparo either caused or was involved in a crash so maybe your anger needs to be channelled elsewhere.

I was there - there was no need for the track to be closed. It was being flagged well in advance, so as long as people respected that, no problem - slow down for the accident, and then carry on your lap after the accident - happy days.

I agree with the organisers, titan and jonnyb - there was no excuse for the caparo driver driving like that. He came past me under red flags at T13, and proceeded to drive past the rest of the pack that I tagged onto the end of.

[Bounce]

Good pics Johnny,looking good.:thumbs::thumbs:

[flow_csl]

I also was at the ring trackday this monday . I had alot of fun .

I was driving a black RHD CSL with belgian YCA.... plate .

[Mrs Muttleysnoop]

Hi Guys, sorry to be negative on my first post but when I booked it stated that there would be only 150 cars at the day. Other people told me that their TDO told them there would only be 50 cars on the day.

Having done a TF day I booked this one for the simple reason there would be 150 cars. I only did 2 laps but luckily for me I had Colin Hoad (CAT Driver Training) with me who is an industry trained 'Ringmeister.

The rules went out of the window within 10 minutes of open lapping ie overtaking without consent, in corners, using slicks, over taking on the right.

The Italians were very badly behaved.

I went out on Tuesday evening on the TF session and had a fab time except for the 2 white Clio Cup cars who were driving close together and overtook on the right, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[DazBlackCSL]

Welcome to the register MMS, so what car were you driving ?

Seems to be a mixed bag of blatant rule abusing as after all it was a marshalled track day, and flags are there for a reason :whistle: and a load of ego's going wild which is a shame, bad organisation ultimately, this should have been sorted on the day, and the culprits dealt with accordingly

RMA days are good if not a little expensive and RSR do run some additionally so im going to be looking into all options for mine next year.

Hi Guys, sorry to be negative on my first post but when I booked it stated that there would be only 150 cars at the day. Other people told me that their TDO told them there would only be 50 cars on the day.

Having done a TF day I booked this one for the simple reason there would be 150 cars. I only did 2 laps but luckily for me I had Colin Hoad (CAT Driver Training) with me who is an industry trained 'Ringmeister.

The rules went out of the window within 10 minutes of open lapping ie overtaking without consent, in corners, using slicks, over taking.

The Italians were very badly behaved.

I went out on Tuesday evening on the TF session and had a fab time except for the 2 white Clio Cup cars who were driving close together and overtook on the right, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[titan]

I am afraid that I allow myself to get involved in any discussion I want, but thanks for the advice.

I see you blame the Caparo for closing the track and not the fact that there was a pile up which is interesting and suffice to say I don't think the Caparo either caused or was involved in a crash so maybe your anger needs to be channelled elsewhere.

heh I have no anger to vent and I think your reply is far stronger than it needed to be. As the others below your post have said - the track was not closed due to my one car being at the side of the track ("pile up" ?) and in fact due to the poor driving under flags. These are the facts of the matter.

I had a good chat with Teffers and his brother in the PK that night about some of the issues of the day; expect to see future days aimed at different target audiences eg one day for beginners, or road legal cars, no race cars, no slicks. Another day for "industry testing" and the keener drivers etc.

My brother went out in the bilstein porsche VLN car and the driver of that car said "What type of day is this????" - he couldn't work out whether this was a VLN practice session as trackday rules were going out of the window.

Ah the Nurburgring. For many reasons, its Like.No.Other.

[Dan_csl]

My brother went out in the bilstein porsche VLN car and the driver of that car said "What type of day is this????" - he couldn't work out whether this was a VLN practice session as trackday rules were going out of the window.

If that's correct then IMO for that reason alone the TDO needs to sort themselves out and show some organisation skills here! Seems like a total 'free for all' day rather than registered trackday :whistle:

[Mrs Muttleysnoop]

Welcome to the register MMS, so what car were you driving ?

Seems to be a mixed bag of blatant rule abusing as after all it was a marshalled track day, and flags are there for a reason :whistle: and a load of ego's going wild which is a shame, bad organisation ultimately, this should have been sorted on the day, and the culprits dealt with accordingly

RMA days are good if not a little expensive and RSR do run some additionally so im going to be looking into all options for mine next year.

Thank you for the welcome, I was trying to drive the red and white Lotus Elise Sportsracer. I have done training at Lotus and Performance training and drift and overgrip limit training with CAT Driver Training at Millbrook. I do MSV and Lotus on Track, track days. My husband was also driving it.

I just found the speed of the experienced ringers coming up behind me overwhelming as I hate holding anyone up, so I spent more time looking in my rear view mirrors.

In our group were 3 Nissan GTRs who had Dirk Schoysman helping them and they said it was nothing like an English track day.

[DazBlackCSL]

Your welcome Sounds like you just had some bad luck with the day, true to say that if your a relative newbie on there private or TF you will spend most of your time looking in your mirrors, it takes time to build knowledge and speed.

Although im not going to do any more (the odd one if rob twists my arm ) TF days, the last one I did was completely the opposite, pretty empty due to the DTM being on the GP so I guess most were watching that who had booked up hotels and B&B's, to the last 7 or 8 which were a nightmare due to the amount of idiots.

Think you have to pick your days / weekends wisely... a few of us are back out on Oct 1 :whistle: if you fancy a TF weekend, no race cars or ring records to be had ... love to see some pics (off the car that is) !

Thank you for the welcome, I was trying to drive the red and white Lotus Elise Sportsracer. I have done training at Lotus and Performance training and drift and overgrip limit training with CAT Driver Training at Millbrook. I do MSV and Lotus on Track, track days. My husband was also driving it.

I just found the speed of the experienced ringers coming up behind me overwhelming as I hate holding anyone up, so I spent more time looking in my rear view mirrors.

In our group were 3 Nissan GTRs who had Dirk Schoysman helping them and they said it was nothing like an English track day.

[AlexGTT]

... love to see some pics (off the car that is) !

Your such a gentleman Dazza.

[titan]

I just found the speed of the experienced ringers coming up behind me overwhelming as I hate holding anyone up, so I spent more time looking in my rear view mirrors.

Yep. The 'ring is a crazy place because there is so little run-off, most corners/declines are blind and it takes a reasonable amount of laps to learn the lefts and the rights.

I've only done around 60-70 laps. I say "only" because most experienced people regard < 100 laps as newbie territory. Our friends who live out there do around 1200 laps a year.

As a beginner, most people would do around 10-11 minutes for a BTG lap. For your first trip you may as well take a nissan micra for all the good a fast car would do.

I can turn in a 7:45 BTG time on a clear lap. Russ in his CSL Cup Race Car did sub 8mins for a full lap, which equates to 7:20 to 7:30 for a BTG.

So its no wonder the differential is huge.

(btw BTG is "Bridge to Gantry" time, which most TF people quote)

I think one of the problems with the 'ring, and I guess I'm as guilty as the next man given my post above, is that people really do time and compare times at the 'ring. I couldn't tell you what I do around Snetterton, Rockingham, Cadwell etc. But I can tell you what speeds I do at certain points on the 'ring, what times etc. Rightly or wrongly I think you get dragged into the 'Ring Experience'.

I would agree its not like a UK trackday. And thats nothing to do with the TDO, I've done a number of trackdays at the 'ring through various TDO, its always the same, it goes with the territory. I think another problem is that people do a few TF sessions before the trackday and I regard TF as "public racing" the amount of eye-openers you see there....

[glendog74]

I love Ring :smt055

[DazBlackCSL]

Your such a gentleman Dazza.

:hahaha: what !

[glendog74]

Your such a gentleman Dazza.

Dazza likes Ring too... :smt055

[AlexGTT]

Dazza likes Ring too... :smt055

:hahaha: