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[83SY]

Has a test at Bedford West Circuit of the CSL (a car from BMW's heritage collection) against a new Evo X, on the basis that they're "about the same price these days - £27K".

The CSL's ultimate lap time seems a bit disappointing at 1m27.8, which is 2s slower than they managed in an E90 M3. Usual complaints about the standard brakes. I was a bit surprised as I'd have thought the CSL should be pretty close to the E90 ?

The EVO was over 1s quicker, but they do concede that the CSL was more fun.

I've rallied an Evo and driven the new m3. I expect the driver wasn't capable of getting the most out of the CSL, much harder car to drive on the limit + as the guys said cup tyres are a few seconds. CSL in the right hands would be quicker but anyone can drive the an Evo semi quickly

[83SY]

+ as shimmy just highlighted he smashes the Evo times by six seconds!
Evo mag state the standard e46 m3 is three tenths quicker 0-60 than the CSL!
What planet are they on???

[Spooks]

Evo mag state the standard e46 m3 is three tenths quicker 0-60 than the CSL!
What planet are they on???

I have often wondered that as well, both bold text so tested times. What is a realistic 0-60 mph for the CSL?

[digi]

Well you all know the answer to that question :119:


The are crap, obviously and most here would slaughter their poxy times

impressive!!! :notworthy: Now Evo need to get their people some driving lessons. :-D

[Pooky]

Just asked John Barker about this and he texted back to say EVO don't go over the white lines or kerbs on their official times to try to remove different drivers and make the car comparison reliable. Had to point this out to Tiff as well.

[shimmy]

Just asked John Barker about this and he texted back to say EVO don't go over the white lines or kerbs on their official times to try to remove different drivers and make the car comparison reliable. Had to point this out to Tiff as well.

and if only that were true ....

maybe he should watch the Evo vids of the CSL mounting every kerb on every corner

as far as i can tell from the vid we had exactly the same cone positions and restrictions as the Evo driver

[83SY]

Just asked John Barker about this and he texted back to say EVO don't go over the white lines or kerbs on their official times to try to remove different drivers and make the car comparison reliable. Had to point this out to Tiff as well.

In think unless it's a porker gt3 RS evo just kick the tyres and do a couple of steady laps. They do write some rubbish!

I would say the CSL 0-60 is sub 5.0 secs

[Curly]

Fantastic time shim:thumbs:i'd struggle to get near that in the shopper

[AlexGTT]

My conclusion is Evo are double shite cos Shimmy ain't no God. :birdman::whistle::wink:

That's impressive Shim. :notworthy: Have you got a vid? Bet the Evo office would hate to see a copy. I think you should write in with vid attached and dare them to publish.:-D

[Straightsix]

I suspect the 0 - 100km/h for E46 M3 Coupe is 4.8seconds (according to Autocar) and probably about 4.7seconds (according to Autocar though i cannot remember)

I have read the little section on BMW E46 M3 CS/BMW E46 M3 CSL in Evo

If u take away the Cup tyres.......that reflects the real speed of the road car....

The Cup tyres add a fair amount of mechanical grip which would make any M3 go quicker. I wonder how a standard CSL on Michelin Cups would do against a standard E46 M3 Coupe on Michelin Cups round somewhere like the Nurburgring (or any other race track)?

PS
Shimmy that is a great time by the sound of things........what are the differences between the M3 CSL tested (161 BMW) and yours in terms of modifications?

I agree u should send a video

[shimmy]

If u take away the Cup tyres.......that reflects the real speed of the road car....

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[Straightsix]

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I do not mean to offend anyone here....i am a big fan of the M3 CSL myself....but i was just saying tyres make a difference and the M3 CSL is one of the greatest if not the greatest BMW M ever made....

[shimmy]

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I do not mean to offend anyone here....i am a big fan of the M3 CSL myself....but i was just saying tyres make a difference and the M3 CSL is one of the greatest if not the greatest BMW M ever made....

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[Straightsix]

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ok if u take offence that easily then that is down to you.........

[shimmy]

ok if u take offence that easily then that is down to you.........

Just kidding.....:smokin::thumbs:

It's an easy thing to say but to be honest it doesn't make sense. It's like saying if you put a 1.6L Focus engine in a Ferrari Enzo, it won't go so fast, true but not really of any interest. The CSL came with Cups as a factory fitted choice and it came with an airbox and cams the same. Doesn't mean when you compare you should start swapping and deleting them.