Real world difference between an M3 and a CSL...

[AlexGTT]

I like the 'feel' of the alcantara against my bare skin - always gets a bit of blood in the old fella... :clown:

Agreed Rob but do you have to do that on every roadtrip?:hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

That's just wrong :hahaha:

Fuckin' hell. Wait till you meet him!:whistle::hahaha:

[shimmy]

That's interesting, are you sure the AP's didn't make much difference?

My mate manages a 8:33 BTG with a standard SMG M3 (only mod being yellow stuff pads) and that's on PS2's, although he does know the track rather well. Laps on you tube - search 8:33

but thats a minute off the pace - i can do that and ive never been on the Ring :smokin:

[shimmy]

I would agree with you in pointing out it's unlikely to just be down to the tyres, however I'd say it's much more to do with the weight than the suspension surely? (assuming the CSL suspension is standard)


:thumbs:

Youve gotta remember that the CSL was built for the Ring and the dev time went into the suspension for the Ring

Now agree that all these things working together will overall be more than the sum of their parts but dont underestimate the OEm suspension

[funtime]

but thats a minute off the pace - i can do that and ive never been on the Ring :smokin:

:hahaha: never been on what ring?! How is it a minute off the pace for a standard M3? a CSL standard only laps in 7:50 with a racing driver and cup tyres? :hahaha:

[AlexGTT]

Shim, when you've tried and done everything, you realise how good they got it in the first place.

Apart from the brakes that is.:thumbs:

[funtime]

Youve gotta remember that the CSL was built for the Ring and the dev time went into the suspension for the Ring

Now agree that all these things working together will overall be more than the sum of their parts but dont underestimate the OEm suspension

Hmmm I suppose, but if it's that good then why does everyone change it? or have you all reached the stage where the standard suspension was holding you back :whistle:

Is that why your going to sell me your Intrax Shimmy? :beer:

[AlexGTT]

:hahaha: never been on what ring?! How is it a minute off the pace for a standard M3? a CSL standard only laps in 7:50 with a racing driver and cup tyres? :hahaha:

That's a full lap.

We only do BtoG.

[funtime]

That's a full lap.

We only do BtoG.

DOH :banghead:

This is true....well anyway, it would be a minute of the pace if he was a racing driver like the 7:50 ring time was :blalalala:

[toofastforyou]

Youve gotta remember that the CSL was built for the Ring and the dev time went into the suspension for the Ring

Now agree that all these things working together will overall be more than the sum of their parts but dont underestimate the OEm suspension

well put

[shimmy]

:hahaha: never been on what ring?! How is it a minute off the pace for a standard M3? a CSL standard only laps in 7:50 with a racing driver and cup tyres? :hahaha:

8,33 BTG is 9.00 full lap vs 7.50 full lap

[titan]

That has to be the most contradictory view so far, interesting that you think they'd be nothing in it if the same mods were applied to both cars, however I think that the crucial point is 'stripping'. I don't want to 'strip' my car and only then would you minimise the difference between the two as the weight would be a lot closer. Without stripping the M3 I wouldn't get anywhere near the weight of a CSL, which is essentially the key to track performance.... is this me back tracking and starting to go for the CSL?!?

Contradictory? Perhaps not the usual fanboi view :-)

In all seriousness, you're asking whether to plump for an M3 or CSL on a CSL forum. You're bound to get lots of pro-CSL chat, some good some not so good. I'm not pro-CSL, instead I just look at the factors with a clear head.

The fact of the matter is that a CSL has something like a £10k premium on a stock M3. To some thats no money, to others it represents winning the lottery. YMMV ! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

And put a stock M3 in the hands of someone talented versus average Jo in his CSL. We know the outcome there.

I believe I answered your subject, the question being "Real world difference" - the difference is that you'll be £10k lighter in the wallet with something a bit more prestigious but it won't halve your commute time.

[shimmy]

! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

.

:hahaha:


is muppet spelt with a double 't'?

[toofastforyou]

:hahaha:


is muppet spelt with a double 't'?

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

again well put.

@titan no offence meant but have you ever driven a csl?

[funtime]

Contradictory? Perhaps not the usual fanboi view :-)

In all seriousness, you're asking whether to plump for an M3 or CSL on a CSL forum. You're bound to get lots of pro-CSL chat, some good some not so good. I'm not pro-CSL, instead I just look at the factors with a clear head.

The fact of the matter is that a CSL has something like a £10k premium on a stock M3. To some thats no money, to others it represents winning the lottery. YMMV ! Its not a £10k better car though is it?

And put a stock M3 in the hands of someone talented versus average Jo in his CSL. We know the outcome there.

I believe I answered your subject, the question being "Real world difference" - the difference is that you'll be £10k lighter in the wallet with something a bit more prestigious but it won't halve your commute time.

Yeah I see your point and I was expecting a slightly bias view... I would agree with you on the whole, the thing I'm trying to weigh up now is the investment side of things...a CSL is a sure punt at the moment, and I'm beginning to think I'll be more content with one no matter how much I chuck at my M3. :banghead: