Which car for the track

[Sailorbaz]

If you have that much dough to have the cars you have, buy a RR, fit a tow bar. Buy a trailer, then get a very track focused car built. :thumbs:

Steve Gill used to tow his CSL with his X6 so no need for a RR as he's already got an X6M :thumbs:

And should you get overtaken by a CSL owner it's not so bad, because in the back of your mind you'll always be thinking, "yeah I've got one of those too buddy :birdman

Would LOVE to be able to say something like but I've NEVER been overtaken by a CSL when not in my CSL, very rarely see a CSL on the open road. (Could I say CSL any more times in that last sentence?)

Get away from the idea of V10's for track use, despite their fantastic lightweight engineering, they're just too heavy. Go light such as has been mentioned, Caterham, Atom, Radical etc etc.

Good luck in whatever you decided and keep us updated. :thumbs:

[trs45]

The thing is I'm not into radicals and caterhams. They are very fast but I just don't know I'd rather have a car than some scaffolding (no offence to anyone who owns one). I'm now thinking of getting another CSL as recommended and supercharging it. What about that ??

[Yanto_csl]

Gt3 / rs or buy a caymen s, strip it out and create your own rs version ?

[Yanto_csl]

Or MX5 ?:hahaha:

[trs45]

Gt3 / rs or buy a caymen s, strip it out and create your own rs version ?

Thats not a bad idea. I never even thought about that. But you've got to understand that the cars only going to be used once a month. But from what I've heard it can be driven day to day if wanted. I think I'm going to look at a GT2 first then a GT3. Can someone here think of a good excuse for the wife lol.
Apart from the CSL i've not kept a car longer than 6 months !!

(Is it really justifiable spending around 70-100k for a car thats going to get driven a few times a month)

I'm really confused :sad:. There's too many options

[trs45]

Or MX5 ?:hahaha:

Lol not my cup of tea. I'd feel like I was in a coffin in one of them lol

[AlexGTT]

Thats not a bad idea. I never even thought about that. But you've got to understand that the cars only going to be used once a month. But from what I've heard it can be driven day to day if wanted. I think I'm going to look at a GT2 first then a GT3. Can someone here think of a good excuse for the wife lol.
Apart from the CSL i've not kept a car longer than 6 months !!

(Is it really justifiable spending around 70-100k for a car thats going to get driven a few times a month)

I'm really confused :sad:. There's too many options

I would buy a 997 GT3 Gen 1. Clubsport pack. That'll do all your after from what you've told us and you can pick them up for £60k and slightly under now.:thumbs:

[shimmy]

I would buy a 997 GT3 Gen 1. Clubsport pack. That'll do all your after from what you've told us and you can pick them up for £60k and slightly under now.:thumbs:

For occasional track use I'd buy and Ascari A10:thumbs:

[AlexGTT]

For occasional track use I'd buy and Ascari A10:thumbs:

We could go halves if you like Shim. Think we can blag a test day out of Ant?:whistle:

Wow! Think of the commission if we could punt that one out the door for him. Trs45, come on down.

[trs45]

We could go halves if you like Shim. Think we can blag a test day out of Ant?:whistle:

Wow! Think of the commission if we could punt that one out the door for him. Trs45, come on down.

Come down to where lol. A Ascari that sounds perfect lol. If only I could afford that. I think we should go three's. We should have a group buy well group pay for all the forum members to buy one Ascari lol

[titan]

I can answer your question :hahaha: or at least get a disagreement lol.

For rewarding trackwork that doesn't cost $$$$ you need something light, ideally not modified in the engine department and something you can afford to damage or at worst write off.

I've done trackdays in:

Road-spec standard Imprezas - too lardy and wallowey

*Highly* modified evo - too unreliable, too much $$$$ when things break or you have an off. However on big tracks you can pass GT3s...

E60 M5 - faaaar too heavy. Unless you have shares in michelin or can afford to stand at the side of the road giving every passer by a £20 note, forget it. Its a grand tourer, not a track car. I did a set of fronts in half a day.

Std M3 - OK, but like the road spec imprezas, too lardy and wallowey. Needs brakes, suspension basically needs turning into a CSL.

Atom - great experience but ultimately perhaps too dedicated. Not great in the rain

MX5 - FANTASTIC if you can get past being called a hairdresser and being overtaken on flats/hills. Superb car to learn RWD in and worth a packet of crisps.

306-GTi-6 - Great, but ultimately limited by FWD.

Megane R26.R - Greater, but ultimately limited by FWD. Possibly the fastest car you can use on track with a large degree of safety/ease.

CSL - er, hello ding ding we have a winner. Like an MX5 on steroids. Provided you could face seeing it damaged or written off and it sounds like you can't. So......

Had I not bought a GT2RS I would have bought a GT3RS. Enough of them around to replace it should you need to (or ask the insurers to!) plus don't modify it, don't make it "yours" and the next off the shelf one will be as good, no emotional attachment.

So there you have it. Sounds like you have a few quid so doubt you'll be interested in french clutter or hairdressers cars. I believe someone already made the recommendation about a GT3 Cup or similar - thats what I'd go for if a newish GT3RS is too much dollar.

[trs45]

I can answer your question :hahaha: or at least get a disagreement lol.

For rewarding trackwork that doesn't cost $$$$ you need something light, ideally not modified in the engine department and something you can afford to damage or at worst write off.

I've done trackdays in:

Road-spec standard Imprezas - too lardy and wallowey

*Highly* modified evo - too unreliable, too much $$$$ when things break or you have an off. However on big tracks you can pass GT3s...

E60 M5 - faaaar too heavy. Unless you have shares in michelin or can afford to stand at the side of the road giving every passer by a £20 note, forget it. Its a grand tourer, not a track car. I did a set of fronts in half a day.

Std M3 - OK, but like the road spec imprezas, too lardy and wallowey. Needs brakes, suspension basically needs turning into a CSL.

Atom - great experience but ultimately perhaps too dedicated. Not great in the rain

MX5 - FANTASTIC if you can get past being called a hairdresser and being overtaken on flats/hills. Superb car to learn RWD in and worth a packet of crisps.

306-GTi-6 - Great, but ultimately limited by FWD.

Megane R26.R - Greater, but ultimately limited by FWD. Possibly the fastest car you can use on track with a large degree of safety/ease.

CSL - er, hello ding ding we have a winner. Like an MX5 on steroids. Provided you could face seeing it damaged or written off and it sounds like you can't. So......

Had I not bought a GT2RS I would have bought a GT3RS. Enough of them around to replace it should you need to (or ask the insurers to!) plus don't modify it, don't make it "yours" and the next off the shelf one will be as good, no emotional attachment.

So there you have it. Sounds like you have a few quid so doubt you'll be interested in french clutter or hairdressers cars. I believe someone already made the recommendation about a GT3 Cup or similar - thats what I'd go for if a newish GT3RS is too much dollar.

You've got some great ideas. I've been thinking all week not had a chance to reply been so busy at work. Well my decision is either a GT2 or a GT3RS. So I will keep you posted as soon as I've bought one and will get pictures of it with the CSL. But knowing me I'll have changed my mind at the end of the week

[titan]

For what its worth, there's not many people who opt for a GT2 for track work. The biggest complaints seem to be

a) boost/torque coming in mid corner, making it "interesting"
b) not quite the precise throttle response as a N/A GT3
c) reduced RPM range

I can't really shout too loud on that because I bought a GT2RS. However had they not have made that particular RS model in the GT2 category, I would have got the GT3RS. Even so, plenty of journalists/magazines rate the GT3RS over the GT2RS as a pure drivers car.

[DuncanR]

Can someone here think of a good excuse for the wife lol.

Oh go on then .... I will look after her 1 day a month for you then !!!
This thread is no good without pics :hahaha:

[magnust]

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I'm now thinking of getting another CSL as recommended and supercharging it. What about that ??

Do it! Without a doubt the best choice IMHO (if you don't like scaffolding ;-) The CSL can still be a really reliable car even when supercharged. ESS in Norway for example have now done quite a few. Supercharged CSL is a hoot on the track!!!!!!!! I'd actually even choose it over a Lambo Superleggera I got some track laps in as passenger.

Cars that I've driven on track not all mine though ;-)
M3 E36 3.2, GT3 mk2, M3 E46 supercharged, M3 E46 full race spec VLN, CSL (my current car), CSL supercharged.