Back in a CSL.. or 997 GT3?

[funtime]

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all! Call me a big girl but when it's raining or I'm on a track like the Ring I want to be able to enjoy the car and not tiptoe round...

With the CSL in M-track it would still intervene at points round the ring, but I know I wouldn't be able to save it every time when pushing hard...

Darren - what's the TC like on yours compared to the CSL in M-track? Does it allow slightly more slip or is it more intrusive?

Thanks,
James

[DazBlackCSL]

It's spot on bud, just enough to feel the car but you know it's there just in case, mind you once they go they go, engine in the back nothing up front it's like pendulum :hahaha:

Seriously though well worth getting some tuition as the more aggressive you are with them the more grip they have, dab of brake, or pull of speed to get the nose to dive, position it and hard back on the loud peddle when you would mentally be telling yourself not too, did a long day a silverstone with an ex Porsche racer and rallycross guy, and he transformed the way I drove it, I was a pussy in the am and was running wide on exit each corner as was not being aggressive enough, once I got the confidence to push hard and take it by the scruff the mechanical grip is mental and pulls you in a tigher line and just corners like its on rails.

That the age old thing with a 911 don't be gentle and never back of mid corner or be half hearted and it comes to you, felt like a different car driving home, and so glad I did it before my ring trip in her in Oct.

Makes me smile thinking about it :-D

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all! Call me a big girl but when it's raining or I'm on a track like the Ring I want to be able to enjoy the car and not tiptoe round...

With the CSL in M-track it would still intervene at points round the ring, but I know I wouldn't be able to save it every time when pushing hard...

Darren - what's the TC like on yours compared to the CSL in M-track? Does it allow slightly more slip or is it more intrusive?

Thanks,
James

[funtime]

It's spot on bud, just enough to feel the car but you know it's there just in case, mind you once they go they go, engine in the back nothing up front it's like pendulum :hahaha:

Seriously though well worth getting some tuition as the more aggressive you are with them the more grip they have, dab of brake, or pull of speed to get the nose to dive, position it and hard back on the loud peddle when you would mentally be telling yourself not too, did a long day a silverstone with an ex Porsche racer and rallycross guy, and he transformed the way I drove it, I was a pussy in the am and was running wide on exit each corner as was not being aggressive enough, once I got the confidence to push hard and take it by the scruff the mechanical grip is mental and pulls you in a tigher line and just corners like its on rails.

That the age old thing with a 911 don't be gentle and never back of mid corner or be half hearted and it comes to you, felt like a different car driving home, and so glad I did it before my ring trip in her in Oct.

Makes me smile thinking about it :-D

Sounds amazing, and I was planning on doing some driver training! I always have a lesson when i do a track day but need to start doing more of them!

I have heard of the pendulum like effect when you loose it though! have you lost your at all?

[DazBlackCSL]

Sounds amazing, and I was planning on doing some driver training! I always have a lesson when i do a track day but need to start doing more of them!

I have heard of the pendulum like effect when you loose it though! have you lost your at all?

Luckily not yet, had a couple of little moves left and right but again keep the foot in and it will correct, all about confidence I suppose as your first reaction is to ease of when it first goes, that's when it all goes wrong :hahaha:

[niall1]

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all!

For me that was the attraction. Don't like the TC/M button/Sport button, although as my daily driver I admit I use the M button as part of my daily routine (turn car on, light on, press M button). It allows a bit of slip as otherwise I find the Diff and TC fight each other at every gravel strewn junction..
(Irish roads).

[terryb]

Well that does it for me then... Won't even consider a 996 if they don't have any traction at all! Call me a big girl but when it's raining or I'm on a track like the Ring I want to be able to enjoy the car and not tiptoe round...

With the CSL in M-track it would still intervene at points round the ring, but I know I wouldn't be able to save it every time when pushing hard...

Darren - what's the TC like on yours compared to the CSL in M-track? Does it allow slightly more slip or is it more intrusive?

Thanks,
James

I think I'm right in saying that only the 996.1 has no TC but the 996.2 does. In terms of safety and getting the most out of the car I think the set up is all important. I have more confidence in my 996.1 than any other car I've ever driven on track, which is testament to the setup and the quality of components such as suspension and brakes, etc

[Pip1968]

I have a 996 Mk II and I cannot see any TC controls on it on or off. I think that is why so many love the GT3 RS ie it has no nannying aids and a lot of people were amazed it was allowed as a road going car (same for GT3).

I have lost it a couple of times. Once on the straight in front of the pits at Nurburgring GP. I came off the Nordschleife and was trying to get maximum speed and did not know the GP track or that the right hand hairpin was blind until you see it (too late). Slammed the anchors on > overrun > gravel pit. Another time at the top end, the last major left turn before the straight and joining the Nordschleife again. Was going to fast to make the left turn and spun in the run off. In short I think the underlying factor was lack of track knowledge.

I know the GP track quite well now :whistle:. Drive it like its your last is my motto. I know plenty of people/colleagues now who are all dead and not as old as me. You are not long for this life.

TC or PASM or not you still see plenty of Porsche with them being written off but each to their own.

Pip :119:

FYI a few short clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L-4lXRD1DA - GT3 RS - 997

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLeEl0nV8Uc - vanilla Porsche, first car being a CSL 'looky likey' (it is where all the spares have gone :hahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzIXLS06utY - not sure what aids this has as it is on the VLN

[niall1]

I think I'm right in saying that only the 996.1 has no TC but the 996.2 does.

As Pip said no nannying aids on either 996.1 or .2, the only driver aid on the 996.2 is ABS.

[The JC]

I have a fair amount of seat time in 6.2 and 7.1/7.2 narrow body GT3s. In fact, prior to my accepting an expat transfer to Aberdeen, my plan was to replace my e92 M3 with a 7.1 GT3. The steering is surgically precise and that 911 driving position is exceptional. Not too mention that you can't stick a Sharkwerks muffler bypass on it and the sounds is near cup car. The 7.2 cars are much better sorted for road/track driving and if you are considering a 7.1, do look into modifying the suspension.

My plan is still to purchase a GT3 (probably 7.2 or 7.2 RS if I can swing it) upon my return to the US in the next five years. With the 991 GT3 being released in manual only, the 997 is truly a dying bread and could possibly be the pinnacle of the model.