CSL rear window glass-- NLA?

[alexk]

I've spent way more then you have or possibly will have on my car. That logic is mute. Let's see my car was 68,500 USD when i bought it new. My OEM CSL parts cost me 26,000 USD over the years. My aftermarket parts have cost me another 20,000 USD. So under your logic the only way you'd be happy with me having the parts is if I bought a wrecked M3 CSL chassis that I would be able to purchase parts from, and for or would have to fix up to drive over in the US.

If you bought an original CSL, I wouldn't mind.
As far as money is concerned, I paid for my CSL 85k CHF (91k USD).
My car was sold brand new in Switzerland 135k CHF (145k USD).
A 4 year old M3 E46 costed 30k CHF, 1/3 of the CSL price.
Any further questions ? :banghead:

[shimmy]

I've spent way more then you have or possibly will have on my car. That logic is mute. Let's see my car was 68,500 USD when i bought it new. My OEM CSL parts cost me 26,000 USD over the years. My aftermarket parts have cost me another 20,000 USD. So under your logic the only way you'd be happy with me having the parts is if I bought a wrecked M3 CSL chassis that I would be able to purchase parts from, and for or would have to fix up to drive over in the US.

That's what it cost....now what is it worth? :119:

[alexk]

I am legally insured for all the oem csl parts, I am paying a premium for all my oem csl parts. I also have passed emissions with my CSL parts. BMW didn't try hard enough to bring it over.

So if you smash the bumper you will show up to the BMW dealership and they will order for you a CSL bumper using your VIN for example ?
I don't see how this will fly to be honest.

[cossack]

So if you smash the bumper you will show up to the BMW dealership and they will order for you a CSL bumper using your VIN for example ?
I don't see how this will fly to be honest.

Lol, i did just get into an accident two months ago my insurance covered it all. That's for me to worry about and figure out. You don't need a vin to order csl parts. If i did, i'd just buy a wrecked csl chassis that would be registered in my name keep it in a storage unit somewhere and use it as a mule. Thanks for giving me the idea, if you go the route of suggesting restricting parts. You're not gonna stop people from sourcing parts. There are three real CSL's in the States, those members tend not to share their secret on how they imported them. I've seen one in Mountain View, CA that's legitimate.

It's not my problem you over payed for the CSL. List price for UK for the CSL was 55,000 GBP. Obviously the argument here is not that i didn't want to pay, or couldn't afford to pay. The problem was bringing one over legally.

So don't be getting pissed of at enthusiasts. Campaign for BMW to make more parts. In any case i don't see how for BMW making parts is a bad thing. It equals more money for them in the long run. It's not like they are selling the parts at cost.

[cossack]

That's what it cost....now what is it worth? :119:

Worth is irrelevant, as it's not for sale. It also never will be, unless I die. I'm planning on getting an AM Vantage next. This cars staying. I know kbb value won't be high, and i don't care. The csl parts definitely though have mostly held their value, even appreciated for some. If i parted everything csl out, plus sold my car I'd be able to purchase a used CSL in Europe. But that's not gonna happen, as I enjoy my 2005 CS that's been mostly converted to a CSL. I'm also not moving outside the US anytime soon, otherwise I'd look at a real CSL.

[E46CSL]

Worth is irrelevant, as it's not for sale. It also never will be, unless I die. .

Famous last words :-D

[alexk]

We are wow-ed now, you must be extremely rich :smt002

[mattCSLnut]

Per another forum discussion. Would you really want me to buy a used CSL, just to strip all the parts out of her so I can drive one legally in the US. It would have actually been cheaper for me to do so. Also if anyone is looking to purchase all the CSL parts, it is now cheap enough to do so by buying a CSL and gutting one. So would you rather someone break a real CSL just for parts, even if it's not a wrecked CSL.

Best situation/outcome here is BMW ramps up production.

I am legally insured for all the oem csl parts, I am paying a premium for all my oem csl parts. I also have passed emissions with my CSL parts.
BMW didn't try hard enough to bring it over.

Not true & believe U mean BMW tried very hard as they care very much for the US market place. Unfortunately your blinkered government with their OTT emission / crash test laws kept saying NO, NO, NO, No, No... errm ??? NO !?!? though shear ignorance, so many times that BMW had no choice but to concede defeat on that one and only brake even on the limited numbers of CSLs they SOLD, predominantly in continental Europe & the UK. They would have loved to make a real profit from such a car as the M3 CSL. Incidentally, you guys are also responsible for the non existence of the E46 M3 Touring because you don't understand the concept of a compact Sports Wagon and instead choose the larger then life 4X4 gas guzzling SUVs.

As for ramping up CSL specific parts productions, have U not noticed that most of these part are actually outsourced from a number of small companies, and not pulled off BMWs own, run of the mill production lines. It's a very costly process in making small volume CSL parts on a large scale as they were never meant to be. BMW are far too busy making millions of 320d which make a decent return for them. 10 year old CSL parts are very much the last thing on BMW AGs mind.

[cossack]

Not true & believe U mean BMW tried very hard as they care very much for the US market place. Unfortunately your blinkered government with their OTT emission / crash test laws kept saying NO, NO, NO, No, No... errm ??? NO !?!? though shear ignorance, so many times that BMW had no choice but to concede defeat on that one and only brake even on the limited numbers of CSLs they SOLD, predominantly in continental Europe & the UK. They would have loved to make a real profit from such a car as the M3 CSL. Incidentally, you guys are also responsible for the non existence of the E46 M3 Touring because you don't understand the concept of a compact Sports Wagon and instead choose the larger then life 4X4 gas guzzling SUVs.

As for ramping up CSL specific parts productions, have U not noticed that most of these part are actually outsourced from a number of small companies, and not pulled off BMWs own, run of the mill production lines. It's a very costly process in making small volume CSL parts on a large scale as they were never meant to be. BMW are far too busy making millions of 320d which make a decent return for them. 10 year old CSL parts are very much the last thing on BMW AGs mind.

Their half as attempt was shown with the CS package, as the M3 was on the verge of being phased out. They wanted to keep profit up, that's why the did as little as possible with the CS package. They still could have offered most of the bits, or done what they have done in the past with the bmw batmobile. I'm referring to the Wing. They gave you the part, it was up to you to install it. What they did with the CS version was a half ass effort of what the CSL got. There's no reason why other then headers, and cats that the car mostly wouldn't have been able to be imported. Maybe even the glass. They could have made it a package option for M3 owners just like they offer the cf bits now to e92 m3 owners like cf splitters and such. Having them limit production won't solve any issue. I would rather them allow those small companies that manufactured the CSL bits be allowed to sell them directly to consumers.

AlexK it's not about being rich, it's a response to a stupid comment saying that you spent three times as much. Case proven/closed.

[alexk]

AlexK it's not about being rich, it's a response to a stupid comment saying that you spent three times as much. Case proven/closed.

What exactly did you prove ?
I guess you are not familiar with exchange rates.
55k GBP back in 2003 was 78k EUR
55k GBP today is 64k EUR
That's 18% depreciation.
So are you comparing today's FX rates with the ones back in 2003 or 2007 and saying that I paid more or others paid less ?

I was very specific, I paid 3 times more compared to a normal M3.
You will find that in Europe that the CSL was sold, it is usually the case.
It is/was the case for Germany, France etc.
A CSL is/was usually three times the price of a normal M3.

Now you are talking/thinking while you are at the states and you have no clue about the situation here.
This is called speculation.

The other smart things about the cost of your upgrades and the Aston Martin are a bit ridiculous to be honest. :gayfight:

In addition to what Matt said about car education/preference over there, just observe the size of the forum signatures of your fellow BMW enthusiasts.
Who has the longest list of mods is ... the best.

I will stop here by saying that I will try my best that no CSL part will be sold to a non-CSL owner.
You have my word

[Jon8710]

Their half as attempt was shown with the CS package, as the M3 was on the verge of being phased out. They wanted to keep profit up, that's why the did as little as possible with the CS package. They still could have offered most of the bits, or done what they have done in the past with the bmw batmobile. I'm referring to the Wing. They gave you the part, it was up to you to install it. What they did with the CS version was a half ass effort of what the CSL got. There's no reason why other then headers, and cats that the car mostly wouldn't have been able to be imported. Maybe even the glass. They could have made it a package option for M3 owners just like they offer the cf bits now to e92 m3 owners like cf splitters and such. Having them limit production won't solve any issue. I would rather them allow those small companies that manufactured the CSL bits be allowed to sell them directly to consumers.

AlexK it's not about being rich, it's a response to a stupid comment saying that you spent three times as much. Case proven/closed.

Maybe BMW didn't import it just because they knew it would piss You off

Chin up money bags xxxxxx

[grkm3]

Was the CSL crash tested in Europe and if so how did it fare compared to a regular M3?

[Yanto_csl]

Guys - this ain't a helpful thread.

Finger pointing is pointless. It's a free market and if you have the cash, you can buy what you choose (assuming you meet counterparty terms and they agree to sell).

For what it's worth, I applaud Cossack for his commitment in overcoming a legislative obstacle to allow him to achieve his goal. His car looks mint and a little different to a tricked up 318 with some carbon bits. From my experience, those that mod an E46 M3 on a budget will choose look a like parts, not OEM.

BMW need to pull their finger out and begin to manufacture the parts. I think that's where we come in with the lobbying. But they need a minimum commitment on numbers.....and let's face it, we couldn't get more than 30 deposits for a fookin track day on the Euro trip due to drop outs.....so how many really REALLY care ? I for one would be happy to chuck some £K in a fund (if others were) to demonstrate seriousness.

So we can bleat on about how we should be entitled to first refusal, but that's bullshit. BMW are a business, not a charity and if they have an ability to sell parts, why wouldn't they ? We like to think that they'll "look after us" because we have one of the better examples of the "Ultimate Driving Machine", but some of us need to take off the rose tinted specs.

[Yanto_csl]

Alternatively, they enforce the chassis number rule.

[shimmy]

Was the CSL crash tested in Europe and if so how did it fare compared to a regular M3?

Didn't happen, the m3 could catch it to crash into it

Guys - this ain't a helpful thread.

Finger pointing is pointless. It's a free market and if you have the cash, you can buy what you choose (assuming you meet counterparty terms and they agree to sell).

For what it's worth, I applaud Cossack for his commitment in overcoming a legislative obstacle to allow him to achieve his goal. His car looks mint and a little different to a tricked up 318 with some carbon bits. From my experience, those that mod an E46 M3 on a budget will choose look a like parts, not OEM.

BMW need to pull their finger out and begin to manufacture the parts. I think that's where we come in with the lobbying. But they need a minimum commitment on numbers.....and let's face it, we couldn't get more than 30 deposits for a fookin track day on the Euro trip due to drop outs.....so how many really REALLY care ? I for one would be happy to chuck some £K in a fund (if others were) to demonstrate seriousness.

So we can bleat on about how we should be entitled to first refusal, but that's bullshit. BMW are a business, not a charity and if they have an ability to sell parts, why wouldn't they ? We like to think that they'll "look after us" because we have one of the better examples of the "Ultimate Driving Machine", but some of us need to take off the rose tinted specs.

Ouch........mrs piss you off today