Michelin Cups on damp/wet Nordschleife

[CraigMillwardCroft]

But you will have already driven on the other set if you have changed them. :wink:

+1 :blalalala:

[shimmy]

Obviously never done the Ring so my experience is other track based. I'd say that Cups are just as grippy as any other road tyres, unless there is real standing water.

The problem with Ups stat as soon as people see water or rain, they slow down and take it easy and then you tend to find it hard to get the Cups up to operating temps and the rain then keeps poling them. If you are man enough to get heat in them by still driving at 98% then they wil be fine.

The best example probably is back at Sillystone last year when the CSL boys encountered rain and my heavy worn Cups were equally as grippy as anybody's tyres.

[Mike RT4]

But you will have already driven on the other set if you have changed them. :wink:

I look at the weather forecast the day before and fit the tyres that are likely to be required and take the others "just in case" - its not rocket science :blalalala:

[Mike RT4]

Obviously never done the Ring so my experience is other track based. I'd say that Cups are just as grippy as any other road tyres, unless there is real standing water.

The problem with Ups stat as soon as people see water or rain, they slow down and take it easy and then you tend to find it hard to get the Cups up to operating temps and the rain then keeps poling them. If you are man enough to get heat in them by still driving at 98% then they wil be fine.

The best example probably is back at Sillystone last year when the CSL boys encountered rain and my heavy worn Cups were equally as grippy as anybody's tyres.

The 'ring is just plain nasty in the rain, as the surface grip levels change randomly, with some appearing to go like sheet ice with only a small amount of rain (as it leaches the oils out of the Tarmac). Personally, I'd recommend just parking up or doing "sight-seeing" laps if it rains.

[shimmy]

The 'ring is just plain nasty in the rain, as the surface grip levels change randomly, with some appearing to go like sheet ice with only a small amount of rain (as it leaches the oils out of the Tarmac). Personally, I'd recommend just parking up or doing "sight-seeing" laps if it rains.

In that case why on earth take the Supersports?

[northernjim]

The 'ring is just plain nasty in the rain, as the surface grip levels change randomly, with some appearing to go like sheet ice with only a small amount of rain (as it leaches the oils out of the Tarmac). Personally, I'd recommend just parking up or doing "sight-seeing" laps if it rains.

The trouble is that people compare the ring to their home tracks, with their consistent surface...

The ring is worn in many places, brand new in others, but tarmac is tarmac, drive off the glassy line and be surprised:beer:


No traffic, no tyre wear, no brake wear and 1/2 the fuel used is much better than sitting in the cafe in your race suit......

[shimmy]

The trouble is that people compare the ring to their home tracks, with their consistent surface...

The ring is worn in many places, brand new in others, but tarmac is tarmac, drive off the glassy line and be surprised:beer:


No traffic, no tyre wear, no brake wear and 1/2 the fuel used is much better than sitting in the cafe in your race suit......

Still not sure what this has to do with the choice betweeen Cups and Supersports.

[northernjim]

Still not sure what this has to do with the choice betweeen Cups and Supersports.

You know me shimmy... it has feck all to do with anything artyman:

[shimmy]

You know me shimmy... it has feck all to do with anything artyman:

How is your purple panzer?

[northernjim]

It still has a reassuring heft to it.... Thinking about upgrading the TV to HD too :clown:

[Mike RT4]

In that case why on earth take the Supersports?

See Jim's post for explanation . However, if I've had done sufficient dry laps (like at DN9 when it started to rain with only 30mins to go), I am more than happy to call it a day, rather than risk crashing.

[shimmy]

See Jim's post for explanation . However, if I've had done sufficient dry laps (like at DN9 when it started to rain with only 30mins to go), I am more than happy to call it a day, rather than risk crashing.

i aee no explanation in Jims post

i think the explanantion is in my post

[Mike RT4]

i aee no explanation in Jims post

i think the explanantion is in my post

He's edited it out LOL

[Pip1968]

I am with Mike R. I have been plenty of times to the Nordschleife and contrary to UK tracks (not that I have done any :whistle there is very little room for manoeuvre. Slip up and you are into the barrier. Alright if you have deep pockets (remember no insurance on Touristfahrt) and are a very skilled driver with plenty of experience on the Nurburgring (in wet and dry) but otherwise...... achtung, achtung!

Take both, hope for good weather or take it easy on Cups in the wet.

Bon chance.....

Pip

[gav]

No traffic, no tyre wear, no brake wear and 1/2 the fuel used is much better than sitting in the cafe in your race suit......[/QUOTE]

Go out in the wet.
Whatever tyres happy on. ( ss better in wet)
Jim's point v good. Is fun to hammer round in the dry in busy traffic, but loads to enjoy and learn at slower speeds in the rain.