Looking for a CSL....

[billyboysm3]

Or taking the kids to school, short journeys, head gasket failures.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

in other words if they have been driven really hard with fast cornering then the internals of the engine may have been exposed to running dry therefor driving the cars really hard on the track or road does have an effect on the parts and would suggest that cars with new engines have had a harder life.

all i know is the people i know who track them alot have all had to have major mechanical parts replaced.

take what you will from that.

Do not agree with your statement, how many track days has yours done (any problems)

[Jon8710]

zero trackdays zero problems.

[Neil M]

I'm afraid that's the nature of the beast, old tech mechanical devices with moving parts; drive it and it wares out, don't drive it and it ceases up or goes pop with the first bit of spirited driving!
Dammed if you do/dammed if you don't! Best not to worry about it, just enjoy it and let Mondial do the worrying!:thumbs:

[shimmy]

zero trackdays zero fun

EFA

[Mike RT4]

I think Mikes car had a brand new engine before my old man got hold of it and stuck that stupid rear spoiler on it, under 18k miles.

No, it had the work done this time last year.......

[_Nathan_]

Lot of bollocks being spouted on here. 90% of the s54 engined race cars are running wet sump. If oil surge on cup tyres was an issue then you've never see a wet sumped s54 engined race car on slicks finish a 24 hour race...

[Mike RT4]

Lot of bollocks being spouted on here. 90% of the s54 engined race cars are running wet sump. If oil surge on cup tyres was an issue then you've never see a wet sumped s54 engined race car on slicks finish a 24 hour race...

Did you not see that video that was posted up recently "24 hours in 70 minutes" ? They were rigorously checking the oil and topping it up as necessary, as the engine failed on one of the cars - the rod punched a hole through side of the block - this only normally occurs due to some form of oil starvation, causing the bearings to pick up on the crank and then when that happens, it's usually just a matter of time before the rod tries to make an escape attempt :lol:....

I would also point out that it was stated that this happened ONLY when the oil level dropped sufficiently, not just because of the wet sump arrangement..... It is my understanding that the factory sensor arrangement doesn't give enough warning of the drop, hence why the race cars (despite the carbon air boxes) in the above video had a dipstick set-up for manual checking of the oil level EVERY TIME the car came into the pits...

You could quite feasibly be driving around with it well below the correct level and not know until the engine is able to do a check of this. Quite often when I have wanted to know the level, I haven't been able to get anything other than two dashes, as it needs certain parameters to be met before it will do a check, so it is quite worrying sometimes. So far it has always read 1.1L when it has then been able to perform the check.

[GregorJP]

All this hoo-hah bodes well for when I put my 68k mile car for sale on here next week, which has a brand new gearbox, new VANOS and top end rebuild, bottom end rebuild completed last week, new subframe and God knows how many other new parts (all done by the excellent Gareth). :119:

[derek]

All this hoo-hah bodes well for when I put my 68k mile car for sale on here next week, which has a brand new gearbox, new VANOS and top end rebuild, bottom end rebuild completed last week, new subframe and God knows how many other new parts (all done by the excellent Gareth). :119:

Dont do it Gregor!!!

[Pip1968]

Did you not see that video that was posted up recently "24 hours in 70 minutes" ? They were rigorously checking the oil and topping it up as necessary, as the engine failed on one of the cars - the rod punched a hole through side of the block - this only normally occurs due to some form of oil starvation, causing the bearings to pick up on the crank and then when that happens, it's usually just a matter of time before the rod tries to make an escape attempt :lol:....

I would also point out that it was stated that this happened ONLY when the oil level dropped sufficiently, not just because of the wet sump arrangement..... It is my understanding that the factory sensor arrangement doesn't give enough warning of the drop, hence why the race cars (despite the carbon air boxes) in the above video had a dipstick set-up for manual checking of the oil level EVERY TIME the car came into the pits...

You could quite feasibly be driving around with it well below the correct level and not know until the engine is able to do a check of this. Quite often when I have wanted to know the level, I haven't been able to get anything other than two dashes, as it needs certain parameters to be met before it will do a check, so it is quite worrying sometimes. So far it has always read 1.1L when it has then been able to perform the check.

Pretty much what I said in my post when I put the link up to that N24 film. Why oh why do they have an electronic 'dipstick' which cannot read the oil when on track - :moan:??????
There must be someone who can perform a modification to the dipstick tube so that it can be measured without taking the f@@king airbox off :moan:.

As far as the rest of the mechanics goes do not ask me :smt120 .

Pip

[CraigMillwardCroft]

zero trackdays zero problems.

In three years of ownership 11 track days, 7k miles no problems :-D

[Straightsix]

I agree track work is harder than road miles

I am not sure about the components
My car had done 54,000 when the engine went and it had only done motorway miles


Maybe i know the CSL too well and pick up on failing components
when others just drive there cars.

So all these parts mean my csl
is not a good car with all the new parts as it must have had a hard life ?

So was there something seriously wrong with your M3 CSL to need new engine @54k plus all the other parts ????

[Steve B]

There must be someone who can perform a modification to the dipstick tube so that it can be measured without taking the f@@king airbox off

The guy from USA who had the CSL rep had bent/modified a std M3 dip stick so you could use it without all the twatting about..... Shame BMW couldn't be bothered.

In this thread...

https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/csl-register/general/events/478038-yank-in-your-neck-of-the-woods

Steve

[Mark CSL]

So was there something seriously wrong with your M3 CSL to need new engine @54k plus all the other parts ????

Yes it was fooked :-D