Ive got a feeling prices are going to rise stupidly north

[digi]

And only beats CSL time by 2 seconds

And its got heaps more power too. :hahaha:

[Rick H]

I think this all depends on the drivers commitment. Both great cars.

Saurma did both times. The GTS perhaps lost out on the choice of tyre, whereas the CSL lost out due to brakes.

The two times cannot really be compared then can they unless we know hiw much time was lost to each handicap?

[digi]

Honestly, the CSL for me is not about its N-lap times, albeit it was some achievement back then.

For laptimes nothing beats a Datsun or the new Porkie turbos etc. Hell even these fast hatch backs etc can do sub-8mins nowadays.

Its the purity of the driving and like Monkeys review of the M3 GTS/C63 BS/Porkie 4.0, its the seriousness of the engineering exercise. In context, back in the days, the CSL and the use of materials for the price point was WOW! Just like the 996 GT3 RS with ceramics etc.

The cars nowadays are so capable that even a sub 30K super mini can give us a run for our money, but that is not the point in collecting a fine vehicle like the CSL. Its like a piece of art in engineering terms vs the speed demons parts bin catalogue (nothing wrong with after market parts by the way).

For outright bragging for N-laptime, get a NISMO-Datsun, for super pose get a Lambo/F-car, for the silly rich you get hypercars, for premium racing you go either with Weissach, Garching, Affalterbach. For me cesil is a master piece at its price point!

[LeinsCSL]

^^^ Was just about to say the same!

Fine words though, I wholeheartedly agree, nothing else at the current price-point comes close

[digi]

^^^ Was just about to say the same!

Fine words though, I wholeheartedly agree, nothing else at the current price-point comes close

:gayfight:

[Trawler]

Do I get to add another £10k on my sale price as last engine ever made?

No down by 30k in the future as no matching numbers.

[Trawler]

Honestly, the CSL for me is not about its N-lap times, albeit it was some achievement back then.

For laptimes nothing beats a Datsun or the new Porkie turbos etc. Hell even these fast hatch backs etc can do sub-8mins nowadays.

Its the purity of the driving and like Monkeys review of the M3 GTS/C63 BS/Porkie 4.0, its the seriousness of the engineering exercise. In context, back in the days, the CSL and the use of materials for the price point was WOW! Just like the 996 GT3 RS with ceramics etc.

The cars nowadays are so capable that even a sub 30K super mini can give us a run for our money, but that is not the point in collecting a fine vehicle like the CSL. Its like a piece of art in engineering terms vs the speed demons parts bin catalogue (nothing wrong with after market parts by the way).

For outright bragging for N-laptime, get a NISMO-Datsun, for super pose get a Lambo/F-car, for the silly rich you get hypercars, for premium racing you go either with Weissach, Garching, Affalterbach. For me cesil is a master piece at its price point!

Well said that man. :thumbs:

[Trawler]

I would disagree - no pun intended, but the Porkie owners are probably higher up in the net worth ladder, thus they have alot more staying power when it comes to selling. I find that CSL owners (not all, just some on the margin) are having financial trouble in keeping her, thus reselling at less than desirable prices so to remove themselves from the debt burden. Just my observation from the UK market. Remember prices are determined at the margin and anyone who's selling at fire sale prices sets the market expectation.

Yes, the M3 does attract the boy racers in the uk who not necessarily can afford to maintain them & then need to offload them.

[MisterCorn]

When the price of a CSL could get you a 911 turbo, I hardly think the people buying them are likely to be doing so on a shoestring. I suspect most are bought as a 2nd / 3rd car.

MC

[Trawler]

I would disagree - no pun intended, but the Porkie owners are probably higher up in the net worth ladder.

difference in new price 2003 between a csl & gt3 was approx €16.5k, which, is a lot more than it sounds now. Somebody will be along to tell us what that is in today's money.

[Trawler]

When the price of a CSL could get you a 911 turbo, I hardly think the people buying them are likely to be doing so on a shoestring. I suspect most are bought as a 2nd / 3rd car.

MC

What I meant to say

Yes, the M3 does attract the boy racers in the uk who not necessarily can afford to maintain them & then need to offload them. Next step up the ladder possibly a csl. It's just that I know a lot of people who buy E45 M3s & then struggle to pay for basic maintenance, but they can say I own a M3

[mattCSLnut]

The race winning E30 M3 Sport Evo took 25 years :whistle:

& the other race winning E9 CSL too took over 40 years.

Enjoy it today, the value of the memory is priceless.

:thumbs: Too true :smokin:

[digi]

difference in new price 2003 between a csl & gt3 was approx €16.5k, which, is a lot more than it sounds now. Somebody will be along to tell us what that is in today's money.

yes, they increased the money supply somewhere in the region of 4x since that time so......:hahaha:

[digi]

What I meant to say

Yes, the M3 does attract the boy racers in the uk who not necessarily can afford to maintain them & then need to offload them. Next step up the ladder possibly a csl. It's just that I know a lot of people who buy E45 M3s & then struggle to pay for basic maintenance, but they can say I own a M3

totally agree and maintenance is already cheaper than the porkie when you have a major service. Thats probably why they tend to avoid the Porkies. Even myself I find that when I factor in service costs etc. (yes, I'm a cheap bastard and penny pincher too) I'm not totally hot for the porkies, although I always buy my cars outright and have no issues in maintaining anything this side of a lambo. Things like Pagani are out of my league and comfort zone though. :hahaha:

When majority are in strong hands, the price will certainly reflect this BMW master-piece. Its a truly modern day E30 M3. Still pretty dame rapid! :beer:

[patphnx]

More discussion on this topic here:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=23&t=1504088&mid=416330&nmt=Prices+going+up%3F++E46+CSL+as+recommend+in+the+Daily+Mail