M4 vs CSL

[cslsuperfan]

Let's face it. The M3 CSL is pretty much the perfect combination of weight, power, and tractability. You have one, so enjoy it

Of all the cars I have owned this one has exceeded my expectations more than any other. Like living the dream, but better.

MC

I take it your not including 997 GT3/RS or have you owned one?

The CSL is a capable car but it's not and never will oust a GT3/RS.

Value for money then no argument the cesil is on top.

[alexk]

It can rev to nearly 9k safely, which is in keeping with the frenetic nature of the S54 :blalalala:.

The new M5 engine revs like a diseaslel by comparison - now THAT is a big yawn .

Also the torque would over power the tyres in every gear in the CSL due to the fact that it no longer had nearly 2 tonnes to move around, so it would probably be slow than the S54 on track .

Mike... 8k+ i not the world.
The M5 engine revs 7.5k and it revs there much faster than any S65 will ever do.

Also disagree about the over-power issue to the tyres. You can always put wider tyres etc etc.
It would definitely definitely be faster.

[shane@mbtech]

Mike... 8k+ i not the world.
The M5 engine revs 7.5k and it revs there much faster than any S65 will ever do.

Also disagree about the over-power issue to the tyres. You can always put wider tyres etc etc.
It would definitely definitely be faster.

I'm with Mike, Alex. The torque would be too much and the GTS engine would be much better suited.

[MisterCorn]

I take it your not including 997 GT3/RS or have you owned one?

The CSL is a capable car but it's not and never will oust a GT3/RS.

Value for money then no argument the cesil is on top.

I have driven a friends 996.1 GT3 CS. But not enough or hard enough to form a meaningful comparison. I generally include value-for-money in my car choices. I should have made that clear. I have driven with a well driven track-prepared 997 GT3 through France. I was in my 996 turbo and it was interesting that there was nothing between us, on the roads he couldn't push hard through the corners as he didn't know what was around them, and with an extra 200hp I destroyed him on the straights. I wouldn't see him for dust on the track, but I drive on the road.

MC

[alexk]

I'm with Mike, Alex. The torque would be too much and the GTS engine would be much better suited.

Possibly you are right guys as I see the M5 spins the wheels even with 4th - no problem.

[Clubber]

Here is another entertaining video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXxegCoIOmw

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[estoril_csl]

Great video!

[Trawler]

And the best sounding car was?

[Clubber]

And the best sounding car was?

Of course the SG one

[mattCSLnut]

And the best sounding car was?

Need U ask ? :smokin:

M3 Cecil is the only one you can hear flying toward you :smt055 proper Hoonigan :supz:
Most of the others are near silent until they go past :whistle:

[cslsuperfan]

Need U ask ? :smokin:

M3 Cecil is the only one you can hear flying toward you :smt055 proper Hoonigan :supz:
Most of the others are near silent until they go past :whistle:

M1 sounded good too :thumbs:

[select]

The M1 easily takes the Exhaust Sound Crown but it lacks the induction noise of the CSL.
Either way, would love to have an M1 alongside the CSL :smt055

The E60 M5 just needs a better exhaust, you can hear that v10 wail when it passes by but its too muted.


Great Video albeit it's missing the 850CSI. :banghead:

Oh yeah Alpina! :drool: what are they waiting for in this cashed up era?!

There has been a M3 GTS equivalent from Alpina, called the B3 GT3 which in my opinion wasn't that brilliant compared to the GTS.
Automatic Transmission in a track car? :bigcry: