Csl v gt3 996

[LaSource]

The ring in a E46 M3 (R888R tyres, KW Clubsport, AP Racing Brakes, eVenturi intake/eVolve map and a few other things)

Sadly we hit a white flag zone from mini karussell onwards...

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[LaSource]

Do you have a vanilla GT3 as well as 6Rs?

Yes I did. Sadly the GT3 had to leave me after an incident last year.

Remember the CSL out of the box with Decent coilovers and AP's is a weapon. A M3 is just way off when trying to get to to lap quickly, until you have spent a fortune on it.

Would love a GT3.

I agree the CSL is better focused and a slightly faster car pace wise especially with 20 odd hp more, lighter weight, and a faster gearbox

However, I would have thought you end up doing the same to both the CSL and M3 for harder track use - ie coilovers, brakes, cooling - granted the seats are better in the CSL but then for harnesses guess they need changing too in both.

The only extra would be some form of intake/map to increase power a bit and taking out the rear seats before a ring trip

[shimmy]

Yes I did. Sadly the GT3 had to leave me after an incident last year.



I agree the CSL is better focused and a slightly faster car pace wise especially with 20 odd hp more, lighter weight, and a faster gearbox

However, I would have thought you end up doing the same to both the CSL and M3 for harder track use - ie coilovers, brakes, cooling - granted the seats are better in the CSL but then for harnesses guess they need changing too in both.

The only extra would be some form of intake/map to increase power a bit and taking out the rear seats before a ring trip

You do have to do a whole load more to an M3 to get close to the CSL pace. Ask Billy.

[LaSource]

You do have to do a whole load more to an M3 to get close to the CSL pace. Ask Billy.

Sorry I was making a different point. I wasn't trying to say that an M3 is as fast as a CSL (or can be easily). I was just saying that to drive each car reliably on the track (at pace) requires a similar amount of upgrade effort.

...to make the M3 then match the pace of the CSL yes would require quite a bit to overcome the differences in power, weight, and gearbox (if manual M3)

As an example, I have upgraded my M3 a certain amount to make it a better track going car. But I've not tried to make it a CSL beater

[billyboysm3]

You do have to do a whole load more to an M3 to get close to the CSL pace. Ask Billy.

Change everything on it :banged:

But hey the CSL set the bench mark so high and easy to drive fast.

[Mike RT4]

Stock car -vs- stock car with same driver (good old Horst ), 996 GT3 = 7.54, CSL = 7.50 ('ring lap time). All the info you need .

[shimmy]

Change everything on it :banged:

But hey the CSL set the bench mark so high and easy to drive fast.

Thank god!

[LaSource]

Stock car -vs- stock car with same driver (good old Horst ), 996 GT3 = 7.54, CSL = 7.50 ('ring lap time). All the info you need .

Stop it

We also need to know tyres.
996.1GT3 was PS2 I believe
CSL was Cup 1s

996.2GT3 was never quoted with Cup tyres I believe




...but before we start a brand war, I did say that on the clock the delta between the two cars at the ring is not all that much

[shimmy]

Stop it

We also need to know tyres.
996.1GT3 was PS2 I believe
CSL was Cup 1s

996.2GT3 was never quoted with Cup tyres I believe




...but before we start a brand war, I did say that on the clock the delta between the two cars at the ring is not all that much

I still dont know why that is a factor.....GT3 didnt come with Cups

[LaSource]

I still dont know why that is a factor.....GT3 didnt come with Cups

N-spec Cups for the GT3 were made available after launch.

Anyway, the two cars are close enough that the biggest determinant is the driver behind the wheel. A better driver will be faster than a less accomplished one whichever of the two cars he/she picks.

[cslsuperfan]

Yes it is very much live by the sword die by the sword but then plenty of CSL have gone despite DSC. What does the BMW booklet say ... something about it not being able to defy the laws of physics. It is of course still an elevated risk.

Was it actually in the Foxhole or the bend into Adenauer Forst? You do see a lot going too fast into the chicane at Adenauer. Hopefully it was repairable.

Pip

Pip ,
it was the left hander just after the compression. just tried grabbing an extra tenth from the kurb and hey presto.
This was an unusual error from a very competent driver....8 minutes full lap!

Car is now OK and thankfully no one was hurt ( kept us amused in the Pistonklause for a couple of nights!!!)

[Pip1968]

Ah yes there, the L hander before Adenauer Forst. I seem to remember that a known 'face' on here also had a bit of an episode there and had to make a recovery in his CSL due to upsetting the car on the curb. It must have been a year or two ago (probably longer - not sure if it was "Hobby driver") and was posted on here.

Main thing is the car has recovered, the driver increased his knowledge of the Nordchleife and most of all the car is being enjoyed as it should. There is a post on the 911UK site in the GT/RS section asking if anyone still tracks their cars. It is a sad day when a CSL or GT3 is sat in a garage. You are a long time dead .

Pip

[Trawler]

Yes pip.
Too many people are too scared to experience life. I don't know if this is because more people have an interest in making money, or the fecking elf and safety culture. A lot of the teenagers/20/30 old kids that I know are just boring. And that's coming from a right old fahrt.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

Yes pip.
Too many people are too scared to experience life. I don't know if this is because more people have an interest in making money, or the fecking elf and safety culture. A lot of the teenagers/20/30 old kids that I know are just boring. And that's coming from a right old fahrt.

:hahaha::hahaha:

[Pooky]

Ah yes there, the L hander before Adenauer Forst. I seem to remember that a known 'face' on here also had a bit of an episode there and had to make a recovery in his CSL due to upsetting the car on the curb. It must have been a year or two ago (probably longer - not sure if it was "Hobby driver") and was posted on here.

Main thing is the car has recovered, the driver increased his knowledge of the Nordchleife and most of all the car is being enjoyed as it should. There is a post on the 911UK site in the GT/RS section asking if anyone still tracks their cars. It is a sad day when a CSL or GT3 is sat in a garage. You are a long time dead .

Pip

Was nice to see just how many GT3s there were at DN this year, but only one CSL if I recall.