AP Racing OR Alcon ?

[StevenCSL]

Hi all,

I want a big brake kit on my CSL as I do trackdays often.

I was thinking of the AP racing kit, front and rear. A friend is riding this setup for several years and find it fantastic in all ways ! Also I read a lot of positive comments on the AP's.

But now, Thorney Motorsports told me they will soon have an even more better kit from Alcon. But of course, this kit will have to proof itselves first. Or can they be sure, this kit is better than the AP's ?

Some info:

AP - Two piece calliper - flexes more under use

TMS/Alcon - mono block calliper, less flex, much stronger

AP - Front disk semi floating, 355mm size

TMS/Alcon - Front disk full floating, 365mm size

AP - rear disk solid (same as OEM)

TMS/Alcon - rear disk full floating (separate ali bell, 100mm larger)


Price will be almost the same...

What do you think guys ? AP or Alcon ? What would be a good choice for me ? I am not a real racer, just doing trackdays like Nurburgring, Spa-Francorchamps, Brands Hatch, etc...

Let's hear :wink:

[SMD]

I would say there is nothing in it!
Not many drivers would feel any flex in a AP caliper!

I would go Alcon to have somthing different! :-D

[dave1]

i have both here either is fine but the alcon kit look's so much better made

[s.mac]

I would go full floating all round :wink:

[DazBlackCSL]

There is a thread on this exact subject somewhere , as im probably going Alcon , and currently have AP.

If your only doing the odd track day , no real difference really , not that you would notice, both are fantastic kits and the first thing to change / upgrade.

If they are both the same £££ to you , then I would deffo go Alcon , for all the reasons above , and if your getting them from Thorney , they will be a yellow caliper ..( dont get me started on that one :hahaha: ) and looks awesome on both SG & SB CSL's as well.

I have been more than happy with my AP's , just prob going on my race car , so need another set anyway , unless i decide Alcon on the race car ..

Just being a tart , and want new Yellow Alcon's on the CSL really !!! :whistle:

[Andyk]

Yep, I would go Alcon if only because of the Yellow....I'm a tart to Daz.

[DazBlackCSL]

Yep, I would go Alcon if only because of the Yellow....I'm a tart to Daz.

:smt056

Lol! Glad it's not just me then !

[Bealo]

I have AP's front and rear and can't fault them at all. I would be amazed if the Alcons were significantly better..

[Nords]

I know the AP discs get a bad press but the calipers are excellent. I'm sure the alcons will be the same and Thorney wouldn't sell them for trackday applications without being sure about them. Alcons discs might be better, although another alternative is the Performance Friction discs?

I have just swapped the std 4 piston split Suzuki (nissin) calipers for 4 piston brembo monoblocks and I can tell the difference there, but I doubt you could tell on a car. Don't judge them on being monoblocks v's split calipers.

[SpineOnABap]

... and getting calipers painted costs next to nothing too.
Those people who bought 'Lo-Spec' calipers should know as they must have got them disguised! :thumbs:

[glendog74]

I'm a tart to Daz.

:smt056

Lol! Glad it's not just me then !

Jeez - get a room! :gayfight:

[glendog74]

I have recently fitted APs front and rear and find them awesome. Only done 1 track day at Castle Combe so far with them though. I will fit PF discs when the time comes as these are generally accepted as the best for the AP setup.

Alcons look pretty cool though but i'm sure there is little difference in performance? Both are well respected :smt023

[kbird]

£ for £ the AP's with PF disc's are hard to beat, rears are nice to look to look at but unnecessary. Alcons good, but will be more expensive (no prices in any posts.....) Have you ever seen a comment complaining about AP's? I use them on my race car and CSL with on problems

[glendog74]

£ for £ the AP's with PF disc's are hard to beat, rears are nice to look to look at but unnecessary. Alcons good, but will be more expensive (no prices in any posts.....) Have you ever seen a comment complaining about AP's? I use them on my race car and CSL with on problems

Welcome Kevin! Nice to see your first post here! :thumbs:

[Shake&Bake]

I currently have standard brakes. I want to get at least 1 trackday in to compare standard before I buy an upgrade. Very interesting thread.