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    #46
    I recently got myself a clone GT1 and have been looking through the diagnostic functions within the SMGII control unit - interestingly there's lot more functions than I initially thought and I now have an alternative theory to the slur.

    On the service functions there are usually 4 procedures involved whenever a clutch kit is replaced or the gearbox is pulled:

    1. Re-teach clutch curve
    2. Reset clutch slip point
    3. Full gearbox adaptation
    4. Re-teach longitudinal acceleration sensor.

    Each of these are done in a particular order - if you do one before the other the gear operation doesn't work properly (yes I tried it and it was horrible haha ... ended up throwing a couple of codes which I had to clear :hahaha

    These are the normal functions performed by BMW whenever they are told a clutch is slipping (usually they will simply reset the clutch curve and re teach the slip point as an initial measure).

    In addition to this there's also an additional reset function for the clutch curve - this I am presuming must be a rest of adaptation values within the software.

    Now if the hydraulics are opened up there are separate function that "vent" various valves within the hydraulic system - these are usually NEVER performed.

    I've yet to try it on my car as personally I reset my clutch curve and reset the clutch slip point on a very regular basis and I don't have any slip or slur issues.

    I am still going through all the functions on the valve vents - but a couple of these relate to the clutch hydraulics (I am not talking about bleeding the clutch reservoir fluid here - it's something else as far as I can tell).

    My point here is - much like a normal manual transmission - if the hydraulics aren't bled properly (or the valves operating them) you are going to get slip even if you do the full readaptation functions - I personally think this has a big variance on why we are seeing slips in the clutch system. Put it this way, when was the last time any of the owners actually got the dealership to bleed their clutch system or the SMG pump?

    I've also been tempted to fully reprogram the SMG control unit via the SSS progman, but have been a bit too scared about bricking my control unit - maybe later when I've learnt how to use the GT1 and SSS properly.

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      #47
      When i had clutch troubles i asked bmw to check if it had the latest software and they said they were not aware of any updates after telling them their was! A week ago i took delivery of a autologic diagnostic unit and guess what their was an update!I carried it out which has made for a smoother change! so as they say if you want it doing do it yourself.:banghead:

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        #48
        Just a year after having a new clutch fitted it's slurring again and also, sometimes there is a small judder when pulling away, especially low speeds in second. Back in the garage today and they need to remove the gearbox to look at the clutch plate.

        Lets hope they don't come back with bullshit about the clutch plate being worn and not covered by warranty!! Am I right in saying a new clutch comes with 2 years warranty? I have extended warranty and there is no way it can be worn in a year and 8,000 miles!!

        We all know BMW are tightening their belts with warranty payouts so I hope they aren't going to turn into coonts with this one!!!

        Dave

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          #49
          Originally posted by DIB17 View Post
          Just a year after having a new clutch fitted it's slurring again and also, sometimes there is a small judder when pulling away, especially low speeds in second. Back in the garage today and they need to remove the gearbox to look at the clutch plate.

          Lets hope they don't come back with bullshit about the clutch plate being worn and not covered by warranty!! Am I right in saying a new clutch comes with 2 years warranty? I have extended warranty and there is no way it can be worn in a year and 8,000 miles!!

          We all know BMW are tightening their belts with warranty payouts so I hope they aren't going to turn into coonts with this one!!!

          Dave
          I feel your pain:banghead:
          Had to fork out after the clutch started sluring even with warranty.
          As far as I know you have a two year warranty on a new clutch & should replace free of charge.

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            #50
            It costs a lot of money obviously to keep a clutch working in tip top condition ! You have to thrash the bollocks out of it on the road, at loads of UK trackdays, and around the Ring like I have, costs a fortune in fuel, hotels, tyres, ferries,JK's, and TD's, but it works !! :hahaha::banghead:...after all the miles mine has done, the gearbox/ clutch is the only left to change on the broom.... thats fooked it now i bet !

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              #51
              Turns out the clutch and flywheel is contaminated from a minor oil leak from the rear seal. New clutch and flywheel under warranty! :thumbs:

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                #52
                My clutch slurry has show its ugly head again so its off to bmw at some point this week to get it sorted i will update this when i get some feedback from my dealer :whistle:

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                  #53
                  we already know the answer Mark :whistle:

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by s.mac View Post
                    we already know the answer Mark :whistle:
                    Does it begin with W and end in Y :whistle:

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                      #55
                      Update they are going to reset the clutch adaptations to see if this sorts it
                      And I have to pay for this I don’t think this is right as the car should not need this done unless there is a new clutch fitted.
                      Its only £50.18 still its not me that made the car need this and it might not sort it.

                      Your Thoughts ????????????????

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                        #56
                        You need to pay for something sometime Mark

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Mark CSL View Post
                          Update they are going to reset the clutch adaptations to see if this sorts it
                          And I have to pay for this I don’t think this is right as the car should not need this done unless there is a new clutch fitted.
                          Its only £50.18 still its not me that made the car need this and it might not sort it.

                          Your Thoughts ????????????????
                          If I remember correctly this happened to me,the warranty won't pay out unless BMW try this first.When the reset doesn't work and you get another new clutch and fly wheel,claim your 50quid back from them.:-D

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by need4speed View Post
                            You need to pay for something sometime Mark
                            He just is not use to paying for anything on the car :whistle:

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by need4speed View Post
                              You need to pay for something sometime Mark
                              If it fixes it it will be money well spent grant
                              But I think it will do it again

                              Originally posted by Bounce View Post
                              If I remember correctly this happened to me,the warranty won't pay out unless BMW try this first.When the reset doesn't work and you get another new clutch and fly wheel,claim your 50quid back from them.:-D
                              I will if it does not sort it

                              Originally posted by CraigMillwardCroft View Post
                              He just is not use to paying for anything on the car :whistle:
                              I pay the warranty and servicing what more do they want :hahaha:

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                                #60
                                Ok the beast is back in its stable all sorted thanks to BMW

                                There was an oil leak on the rear crankshaft oil seal and the shaft in the picture part 1 was worn on 1 side stopping the release bearing working ok,
                                also there was an oil leak from a speed sensor.

                                The work was all done under the BMW Warranty no charge
                                as i have the full 0 excess warranty :supz:

                                Happy Days :smokin:
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