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    #31
    Hi

    Shimmy- if you dual feed a pump that 'sucks'
    then it should always pull fuel, so long
    as one of the feeds is always constantly fed.

    The reason being that as fuel is heavier than
    air, the pump has to suck the lighter air
    through the heavier density fuel, of the constant
    supply.

    That is why its important to have some hose away from
    the 'T' in both directions, so that if one of the feeds is exposed
    to air, then its easier for the pump to keep sucking from
    the constant feed, than to suck the lighter air in 'through'
    the heavier fuel.

    Regards,

    The Gorilla.

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      #32
      My head is starting to hurt with all this thinking.

      Good info Gorilla.:smokin:

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        #33
        Sorry not convinced

        Gonna try it with some straws and Stella tonight!

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          #34
          Sounds easier to ensure enough fuel is in tank.

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            #35
            Hi,

            Two Straws and Stella will get you pissed,
            nothing else.

            Sounds like a plan though.

            Have one straw, short distance, which then has a 'T'
            for two feeds from the 'T' into your Stella.

            Sticking two straws straight into the ''Shimisters
            Stella sucker'' will not prove the point.

            Start sucking up your Stella with both feeds
            well into the amber juice, and while still
            sucking at an even rate just pull one feed
            out, you should still be on the way to getting
            well pissed, not spluttering and coughing as usual !!!


            Regards,

            The Gorilla.

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              #36
              Originally posted by karbonkid View Post
              Sounds easier to ensure enough fuel is in tank.
              :thumbs:

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                #37
                Originally posted by karbonkid View Post
                Sounds easier to ensure enough fuel is in tank.
                That's far too easy.:clown::hahaha:

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                  Hi,

                  Two Straws and Stella will get you pissed,
                  nothing else.

                  Sounds like a plan though.

                  Have one straw, short distance, which then has a 'T'
                  for two feeds from the 'T' into your Stella.

                  Sticking two straws straight into the ''Shimisters
                  Stella sucker'' will not prove the point.

                  Start sucking up your Stella with both feeds
                  well into the amber juice, and while still
                  sucking at an even rate just pull one feed
                  out, you should still be on the way to getting
                  well pissed, not spluttering and coughing as usual !!!


                  Regards,

                  The Gorilla.

                  I know what you mean fellow ape.

                  Some good info and theoretically it should work, an easy try to be honest.

                  The drawbacks of using full tank of juice is the handling characteristics of the car, 1/4 tank is much faster than full tank. And to be fair if you guys didnt want to be quick why modify in the first place.


                  I only ever had it happen below 1/4 tank, so I never let it drop below from halfway between 1/4 and 1/2, seemed to cure my issues.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by shimmy View Post
                      Sorry not convinced

                      Gonna try it with some straws and Stella tonight!
                      Nothing like a pint of wife beater!!! :thumbs:

                      Might take several pints to fully test this :smt030

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by shimmy View Post
                        Fuck me your sharp you Shimmy.

                        Whats heavier? A ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by lawsy View Post
                          Fuck me your sharp you Shimmy.

                          Whats heavier? A ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?
                          W..w..w..what's h..heavier?

                          Shh..Shh...Shimmy in...O..Oc...October 2009 or Shh..Shh...Shimmy in..Oc..October 2010?
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by lawsy View Post
                            Fuck me your sharp you Shimmy.

                            Whats heavier? A ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?


                            dont start that one, i did that one on the kids last week and still trying to convince them they are the same.......driving me mad :bigcry:

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by shimmy View Post
                              dont start that one, i did that one on the kids last week and still trying to convince them they are the same.......driving me mad :bigcry:
                              Ha.:hahaha:

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                                Hi,

                                I have found this thread fascinating.

                                To address any problem you need to undestand the
                                cause.

                                The standard E46 petrol Tank pick up operates
                                from one side of the tank.

                                ie] the fuel pump is having to 'suck' the fuel
                                as opposed to 'push' it from one side only.

                                Thus when the pipe that the fuel is sucked up
                                to the fuel pump is not below the fuel
                                level, then air enters the fuel pump, fuel
                                pressure drops and the spluttering on
                                heavy cornering on 1/4 tank can and does
                                occur.

                                As the standard fuel pump is rated for 5 bar then
                                its only issue is fuel supply and what its pick
                                up is, ie] what distance away from the pump
                                will it still suck up fuel.

                                So, if you had a short length of rubber fuel hose
                                fitted to the bottom of the existing fuel pick
                                up, then a 'T' fitting, and then another length of fuel hose
                                to the other side of the tank, which would be no more
                                that about 1.0 mtr in length, you would ensure that
                                the fuel pump was always able to suck up fuel,
                                which is the cause of the problem.

                                Although this is all internal to the tank, access via
                                the existing pump set up would be quite easy, and
                                you have to remove this to fit the CA solution
                                anyway..

                                The CA fix just creates another part that can go
                                wrong, adds more weight !!!!!! and the same
                                results can be acheived a lot simplier and a whole
                                lot cheaper.

                                Regards,

                                The Gorilla.
                                Yes well put, however the fundamental floor in your plan is that the crap oem pump is not strong enough to suck fuel through lengths of hose around the tank hence why you install a second pump in place of the sender unit on the left hand side to push fuel to the right hand pump.

                                Hardly any extra weight as you are replacing the other unit with the same thing any way, it just has a pump in it which weighs grams!

                                The oem pump degrades over time and does not produce enough flow anyway, hence why i am going with the walbro conversion for piece of mind.

                                If you want to be tight the just do the walbro conversion and let it suck fuel through pipes from the left and right side of the tank.

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