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    #61
    Very informative posts :thumbs:.

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      #62
      Danny - not sure on the exact details of the engine build but the map I have in front of me is swinging both cams a fair bit on the RPM axis between 5500 and 8500 and again on the y axis (TP) in that same RPM range.

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        #63
        Hi,

        Nathan- for sure, but the actual
        gains in Power and to a lesser
        extent in Torque from 5500
        to say 8400 as compared to the
        same engine without Vanos
        is very, very slight, as if to make
        any difference in the real world.

        Even though the S54 Vanos is
        variable across the whole rev band,
        the gains are to an extent are more significant
        at the lower end of the rev band,
        on a same engine comparission.

        Vanos is primarily for emissions.

        If you were at somewhere like Mondello then
        I could see that on ''std'' Cams the S54 would
        benefit from Vanos, but not on longer
        duration/lift cams, as the 4500 threshold
        would come into play, and then above that
        your back to the top.

        Regards,

        The Gorilla.

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          #64
          I'll find out what cams are in it next time I'm with the car, some big variations in cam angle though.

          When I get mine running (standard CSL cams) I'll try and dyno both swinging cams and with the cam position set static through the rev range, be interesting to see the difference in torque curve on the same engine. I'll post up here

          I'd love to know the exact differences between p54 and s54 vanos.

          Did the p65b40/44 retain vanos?

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            #65
            Hi Nathan,

            No Vanos on the P65 40 and no
            Vanos on the Judd HK LMP2 V8 engine
            based on the S65 either.

            Judd Power specialises in High Performance Engine Development, we are the brand name for engines, services and parts supplied by Engine Developments Ltd.


            I believe rightly or wrongly that
            BMW retained the Vanos on their
            S54/P54 M3 engines as its removal
            could have breached certain Regs
            and not considered in the spirit
            of it, and given the ALMS issues
            BMW would not want to stamp on that
            ground again to quickly.

            It would explain development of an
            expensive MS time/hour rated part that
            very few would purchase.

            Another moot point would have been
            a potential backlash regarding
            Warranty etc in that the manufacture runs
            their ''Race'' engine with No Vanos.

            Std CSL cams give very good results when
            locked in on the S54 engine, not so much
            top end rev happy, but very progressive in
            the mid band, from around 3500-7000 ish..

            Regards,

            The Gorilla.

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              #66
              OK, I'll get the cams to make max power at 8k rpm, set the target angles at those values and run it again to see the difference and get some graphs, we can ignore the exact numbers as it'll only be a chassis dyno but the shapes should tell the story

              Only interested in 5.5k to 8k really, with a drenth and paddles there is no excuse for not being in that region.

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