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    Vanos problem

    My car's Vanos was done by agents under warranty, it was nice and quiet for 1000kms/ 3months. Its now just as noisy as before and my warranty expires in 7 days. I took it back this morning and they dont have a problem in fixing it again but I am worried that there is a underlying problem thats causing the Vanos to fail and might cause damage to the engine in time to come, then I will be stuck with the cost!!!

    Any advice would be much appreciated as it seems the agents dont know what they are doing and time is running out...

    #2
    Originally posted by Niel333
    My car's Vanos was done by agents under warranty, it was nice and quiet for 1000kms/ 3months. Its now just as noisy as before and my warranty expires in 7 days. I took it back this morning and they dont have a problem in fixing it again but I am worried that there is a underlying problem thats causing the Vanos to fail and might cause damage to the engine in time to come, then I will be stuck with the cost!!!

    Any advice would be much appreciated as it seems the agents dont know what they are doing and time is running out...

    Do you know what work they did to the vanos the first time? Replacement?

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      #3
      Either fit a new one including solenoid....or get a recon one from Dr Vanos in the states......only way to make sure...

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        #4
        Originally posted by shimmy View Post
        Do you know what work they did to the vanos the first time? Replacement?
        From what i understand they did a vanos kit .... if that makes sense?
        I will check on the invoice if I can find it...

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          #5
          Originally posted by cantfind1 View Post
          Either fit a new one including solenoid....or get a recon one from Dr Vanos in the states......only way to make sure...
          Its under warranty, so I would want BMW to replace it, but if its not getting enough oil or something and its just going to last another 1000km then its no use

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            #6
            Just checked, they replaced the vanos and did camgears...

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              #7
              Hi,

              Sounds like you have a Vanos Oil Pressure
              feed issue.

              You can replace the Vanos, Solenoids and Cam Gears
              all you like but if the Vanos Oil is not
              correctly pressurising, then it will
              not last 5 minutes.

              Did they change the Vanos Oil Pressure
              Limiting Valve and Vanos Oil Feed 'O'
              Rings etc ?

              Regards,

              The Gorilla.

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                #8
                Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                Hi,

                Sounds like you have a Vanos Oil Pressure
                feed issue.

                You can replace the Vanos, Solenoids and Cam Gears
                all you like but if the Vanos Oil is not
                correctly pressurising, then it will
                not last 5 minutes.

                Did they change the Vanos Oil Pressure
                Limiting Valve and Vanos Oil Feed 'O'
                Rings etc ?

                Regards,

                The Gorilla.
                The job description on the claim history is

                1. Camshaft Adjusting unit
                2. Gear wheels on camshaft broken
                3. Pressure Accumulator (incl shut-off valve)

                I just spoke to the technician that did the job the first time. He says they replace cam gears and vanos, tested the car and it was still noisy so they replaced the pressure accumulator and it was quiet.

                Could it be that when they test drove it they damaged it again?

                My biggest concern is that they damaged the motor or the cams and that I will be stuck with the problem when the warranty runs out?

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                  #9
                  Renew the warranty? I would.

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                    #10
                    Hi,

                    Quote-

                    ''He says they replace cam gears and vanos, tested the car and it was still noisy so they replaced the pressure accumulator and it was quiet.''

                    I think that might be what has caused the
                    problem.

                    Sounds like your 'Replacement Vanos/Cam Gears'
                    were run without correct Oil Pressure.

                    Then the retrospective fitting of the Pressure
                    Limiting valve has made all well until their
                    premature wear, prior to its fitting, has put you back where you
                    were.

                    Does not take long to 'fook' them without
                    correct amount of oil and pressure.

                    Did they take a Vanos Oil Pressure reading ?

                    The other issue now is that if the oil feed
                    to the Vanos is or was restricted, and the
                    restriction is prior to the 'split' of this feed,
                    other side is to the Cams, then how long was the
                    engine run or tested in this condition ?

                    Even if it was for a few minutes only while
                    they diagnosed your Vanos noise, then your Top
                    end may well start rattling very quickly.

                    I would obtain some sort of undertaking on
                    the Valve Train given the issues over the
                    Vanos etc.

                    You certainly need to get it on the record.

                    Regards,

                    The Gorilla.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Gorilla View Post
                      Hi,

                      Quote-



                      Did they take a Vanos Oil Pressure reading ?

                      The other issue now is that if the oil feed
                      to the Vanos is or was restricted, and the
                      restriction is prior to the 'split' of this feed,
                      other side is to the Cams, then how long was the
                      engine run or tested in this condition ?

                      Even if it was for a few minutes only while
                      they diagnosed your Vanos noise, then your Top
                      end may well start rattling very quickly.

                      I would obtain some sort of undertaking on
                      the Valve Train given the issues over the
                      Vanos etc.

                      You certainly need to get it on the record.

                      Regards,

                      The Gorilla.
                      I dont think they took a reading before the first start.... They will do all the test now. They also dont have a problem with replacing anything that needs to be done to fix it now, but if they miss anything I will sit with the cost later. I will push to get cams, gears and vanos replaced now but if they dont then your undertaking sounds like the way to go if they agree to it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by lawsy View Post
                        Renew the warranty? I would.
                        I wish I could but my car was sold on 21 April 2005 and 7 years is maximum....

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                          #13
                          So apparently the oil presure is at 2bar while idling and 4.5 bar when revved but the cams and cambearings on my motor have scuff marks on them and are blue(whatever that means). They are taking the sump off today to see what the crank bearings look like...

                          Does any of this make sense? How did the cams get damaged while the oil pressure is fine?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Niel333 View Post
                            So apparently the oil presure is at 2bar while idling and 4.5 bar when revved but the cams and cambearings on my motor have scuff marks on them and are blue(whatever that means). They are taking the sump off today to see what the crank bearings look like...

                            Does any of this make sense? How did the cams get damaged while the oil pressure is fine?

                            Sounds like a new engine will be on the cards
                            If they are blue they have been running dry and over heating

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Mark CSL View Post
                              Sounds like a new engine will be on the cards
                              If they are blue they have been running dry and over heating
                              I hope so!!!! 2 year warranty on new engine:thumbs:

                              If the crank bearings looks good they are only going to order a new head, is it ok to replace parts on these engines, will it be the same again?

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