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    #16
    Originally posted by shimmy View Post
    Mine def was there in 2006 but has got marginally worse over time, now stutters on 3 RH corners just above qtr tank, whereas used to be well below qtr tank it would start.
    Fuel pump getting weaker over time too?



    I am not a technical man.... But is it possible to look inside the tank to see how everything is sitting?

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      #17
      Originally posted by northernjim View Post
      :supz: the higher the G forces, the more the fuel sloshes about.....





      Adam did you read the part where it says not all cars suffer from this?


      I think the answer is that not all fuel pick ups sit in the same place in the tank....
      they say prevention is better than cure!!!!!
      imagine you get out there hit a hard corner and bang spluttering.wish i had done that conversion now.im only exploring the idea.bmw have already checked my tank as ive had fueling problems before.(down to exhast)
      but your right to open the tank and check its all good costs nothing.thanx nice input:thumbs:

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        #18
        Originally posted by northernjim View Post
        Fuel pump getting weaker over time too?
        They do... mine use to cause fuel starvation around Brands Hatch coming through Clearways, a 180 degree off camber right hander, before the pit straight, with over 1/4 tank of fuel :banghead:
        A replacement fuel pump from BMW sorted this issue and it's been fine ever since :smokin:

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          #19
          [QUOTE=shimmy;n521930]The harder you drive.........

          love it shimmy.gonna try that!!!!:thumbs:


          northernjim has a point.the previous owner has definately used this car on track.i may already have an uprated pump.
          will pull it out over weekend

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            #20
            I'm sure in my trawling through the site, I saw a post by "The Gorilla" about a cheap way of improving the starvation issue by fitting an extension T-pipe, but I can't find it. Might be worth dropping him a PM?

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              #21
              Details of the E36 M3 mod we used

              http://www.pumpkininc.com/content/doc/guide/ag-8.pdf

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                #22
                I run this on my E36 which had issues from half a tank, now it runs pretty much to empty. Installed by Uncle Benz off here. Worth a PM maybe.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by adem.csl View Post
                  then there is a wieght difference making left side heavier.so really best option is to sit the pump in a bowl that stays full at all times.
                  Would imagine no problem with weight as right side of car has a fook off big battery in it !:-D .. reminder to self, fit new battery to CSL !

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Mike R View Post
                    I'm sure in my trawling through the site, I saw a post by "The Gorilla" about a cheap way of improving the starvation issue by fitting an extension T-pipe, but I can't find it. Might be worth dropping him a PM?
                    Could it be this you were thinking of Mike?:

                    "I have found this thread fascinating.
                    To address any problem you need to understand
                    the cause.


                    The standard E46 petrol Tank pick up operates
                    from one side of the tank. ie] the fuel pump
                    is having to 'suck' the fuel
                    as opposed to 'push'
                    it from one side only.


                    Thus when the pipe that the fuel is sucked up
                    to the fuel pump is not below the fuel
                    level, then air enters the fuel pump, fuel
                    pressure drops and the spluttering on
                    heavy cornering on 1/4 tank can and does
                    occur.

                    As the standard fuel pump is rated for 5 bar then
                    its only issue is fuel supply and what it pick
                    up is, ie] whatever the distance away from
                    the pump it still sucks up fuel.


                    So, if you had a short length of rubber fuel hose
                    fitted to the bottom of the existing fuel pick
                    up, then a 'T' fitting, and then another length of
                    fuel hose to the other side of the tank, which would
                    be no more than about 1.0 mtr in length, you would
                    ensure that the fuel pump was always able to suck
                    up fuel, which is the cause of the problem.


                    Although this is all internal to the tank, access via
                    the existing pump set up would be quite easy, and
                    you have to remove this to fit the CA solution
                    anyway.

                    The CA fix just creates another part that can go
                    wrong, adds more weight !!!!!! and the same
                    results can be achieved a lot simpler and a whole
                    lot cheaper.

                    Regards,
                    The Gorilla"

                    Hats off to the man in the furry suite :thumbs:

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                      #25
                      Hi Neil,
                      Yes, that was the one .

                      Where was it LOL?

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by shimmy View Post
                        I thought thee was a simple 'twin pick up' to the single pump upgrade option!
                        Ahem!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Mike R View Post
                          Hi Neil,
                          Yes, that was the one .

                          Where was it LOL?
                          Lurking in the annals: a thread to a link and so on, add infinitum:thumbs:

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by mattCSLnut View Post
                            They do... mine use to cause fuel starvation around Brands Hatch coming through Clearways, a 180 degree off camber right hander, before the pit straight, with over 1/4 tank of fuel :banghead:
                            A replacement fuel pump from BMW sorted this issue and it's been fine ever since :smokin:
                            Liking matts route.but I'm gonna stick a walbro 255lph pump in mine Just to be safe.I've had previous with bmw pumps giving up on me.thanx guys For all input.
                            Knowledge is power.!!!!!!

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Neil M View Post
                              Could it be this you were thinking of Mike?:

                              "I have found this thread fascinating.
                              To address any problem you need to understand
                              the cause.


                              The standard E46 petrol Tank pick up operates
                              from one side of the tank. ie] the fuel pump
                              is having to 'suck' the fuel
                              as opposed to 'push'
                              it from one side only.


                              Thus when the pipe that the fuel is sucked up
                              to the fuel pump is not below the fuel
                              level, then air enters the fuel pump, fuel
                              pressure drops and the spluttering on
                              heavy cornering on 1/4 tank can and does
                              occur.

                              As the standard fuel pump is rated for 5 bar then
                              its only issue is fuel supply and what it pick
                              up is, ie] whatever the distance away from
                              the pump it still sucks up fuel.


                              So, if you had a short length of rubber fuel hose
                              fitted to the bottom of the existing fuel pick
                              up, then a 'T' fitting, and then another length of
                              fuel hose to the other side of the tank, which would
                              be no more than about 1.0 mtr in length, you would
                              ensure that the fuel pump was always able to suck
                              up fuel, which is the cause of the problem.


                              Although this is all internal to the tank, access via
                              the existing pump set up would be quite easy, and
                              you have to remove this to fit the CA solution
                              anyway.

                              The CA fix just creates another part that can go
                              wrong, adds more weight !!!!!! and the same
                              results can be achieved a lot simpler and a whole
                              lot cheaper.

                              Regards,
                              The Gorilla"

                              Hats off to the man in the furry suite :thumbs:
                              Yep this is what I have done, I ditched the twin pump mod I had.....this way is much simpler, easy to fit and solves all fuelling issues....also doesn't effect the guage readings like the twin pump mod did. I have also fitted a Walbro pump however I found the car to run rich with the uprated pump which led to a power loss. I had to adjust the fuel trims in the ecu map to solve the rich running....

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                                #30
                                The Gorilla.Yes well put, however the fundamental floor in your plan is that the crap oem pump is not strong enough to suck fuel through lengths of hose around the tank hence why you install a second pump in place of the sender unit on the left hand side to push fuel to the right hand pump.


                                Hardly any extra weight as you are replacing the other unit with the same thing any way, it just has a pump in it which weighs grams!


                                The oem pump degrades over time and does not produce enough flow anyway, hence why i am going with the walbro conversion for piece of mind.


                                If you want to be tight the just do the walbro conversion and let it suck fuel through pipes from the left and right side of the tank.
                                Are you being serious?contradicts your posts.cantfind1

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