Schrick

[adem.csl]

I'd be surprised if Schrick were/are the nominated manufacture for S54 camshafts given the volumes involved. Would it make financial sense? Plenty of camshaft manufacturers out there and Schrick specialism isn't required for a large production run. What certainty is there around this information?

Dealer information to me is that the CSL camshaft supplier has changed after stock had ran down. The wait is for new camshafts to be approved from the new supplier as OK to fit, and that first batch failed testing.

As part of OEM engineering and industry this is believable to me as the testing and re-sourcing time frame is always long and drawn out.

We can all speculate as to who was/is the supplier and the reason for the change.

Schrick confirmed they produce the cams for bmw.ca international and i think Martin (trackm3) also asked schrick

[adem.csl]

And the next batch are due for testing at the end of November.

Just for the record, the CSL cams are 268º Intake and 264º Exhaust; lift is unknown - likely the same as the stock M3 cams (12mm). In theory, even the 280/272 Schricks would be an upgrade

Lol ain't that my pic from another web site?i recognise my finger anywhere!!
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[trackm3]

I left the BMW network after 15 years for this reason, I remember there patter years ago telling us all they wanted to be in the same league as Rolex, M&S, John Lewis and Rolls Royce for customer service, they have clearly forgotten about these days !!!! It was bad when I got out in 2005 now you will get better service in a Ford main dealer.


QUOTE=shawn 968cs;175917]After reading this thread I feel lucky about my recent experiences, Its a bit worrying the way BMW feels like its going to me, I had to wait over 6 months for some trim on my CSL, no idea of delivery from BMW after chasing each month:banghead:, then it just turned up out of the blue.
I had problems with brakes sticking on my week old M3 F80:banghead:, and had to push hard to get my money back, + no follow up from BMW UK and when I spoke to them basically couldn't give a Sh@~.
My wife's X5 has bad corrosion on the wheels which is covered by warranty and they have been on order for over 3 months and again BMW have no idea when they will turn up:banghead:. Which is a pain as want to change it soon.
They are certainly leaving the door wide open for avid BMW fans to go to Merc' AMG's, certainly feels like BMW don't care to me.
Very sad state of affairs, I never thought I would say it , but seriously starting to think about test driving a AMG merc's now.
Rant over.
Shawn[/QUOTE]

[shawn 968cs]

I hope this gets resolved soon otherwise Ill end up selling the CSL and track car for some Pork or AMG!

Then 6 months after that Ill regret it. Just need to drive her.

I literally cannot clean her anymore.

After reading this thread I feel lucky about my recent experiences, Its a bit worrying the way BMW feels like its going to me, I had to wait over 6 months for some trim on my CSL, no idea of delivery from BMW after chasing each month:banghead:, then it just turned up out of the blue.
I had problems with brakes sticking on my week old M3 F80:banghead:, and had to push hard to get my money back, + no follow up from BMW UK and when I spoke to them basically couldn't give a Sh@~.
My wife's X5 has bad corrosion on the wheels which is covered by warranty and they have been on order for over 3 months and again BMW have no idea when they will turn up:banghead:. Which is a pain as want to change it soon.
They are certainly leaving the door wide open for avid BMW fans to go to Merc' AMG's, certainly feels like BMW don't care to me.
Very sad state of affairs, I never thought I would say it , but seriously starting to think about test driving a AMG merc's now.
Rant over.
Shawn

[_Nathan_]

How do they test them ?

Put them in a limited edition car sell to customers for a varied test cycle.

[alexk]

How do they test them ?

[billyboysm3]

And the next batch are due for testing at the end of November.

[terraphantm]

You are correct.martin trackm3 has found valuable info that backs this up so the 280/288 are the upgrade and not stock csl profile.otherwise who would spend £2k with schrick for stock cams in a csl
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-38...25mm-lift.aspx

Just for the record, the CSL cams are 268º Intake and 264º Exhaust; lift is unknown - likely the same as the stock M3 cams (12mm). In theory, even the 280/272 Schricks would be an upgrade

[Pooky]

I'd be surprised if Schrick were/are the nominated manufacture for S54 camshafts given the volumes involved. Would it make financial sense? Plenty of camshaft manufacturers out there and Schrick specialism isn't required for a large production run. What certainty is there around this information?

Dealer information to me is that the CSL camshaft supplier has changed after stock had ran down. The wait is for new camshafts to be approved from the new supplier as OK to fit, and that first batch failed testing.

As part of OEM engineering and industry this is believable to me as the testing and re-sourcing time frame is always long and drawn out.

We can all speculate as to who was/is the supplier and the reason for the change.

[billyboysm3]

I hope this gets resolved soon otherwise Ill end up selling the CSL and track car for some Pork or AMG!

Then 6 months after that Ill regret it. Just need to drive her.

I literally cannot clean her anymore.

[outnumbered]

This is probably not going to come across well but I still can't understand this way of thinking of waiting such a horrendously long time for BMW to fix it. Yes you're getting nice new cars in the mean time but as above, there's got to be a way to put the car back together and drive it! I guess lots of people have other toys to play with and use the cars differently, hence the big variations in mileage between members.

I guess also the big problem everyone is worried about is losing providence, the more standard M3 bits you add the worse it gets. You may not ever notice the difference, but I suppose it's still losing that little bit of specialness each time you don't put a genuine CSL bit back on.

I don't think Billy's too happy about 18 months in a hire car though...

Another question is whether you could even get BMW to fit a non-CSL camshaft under warranty. I think many dealers would just say "can't get the relevant CSL part, so can't do it". They'd be too worried about the standard M3 part being subtly different and trashing the engine at their expense...

[terraphantm]

CSL cams are hollow - so I guess there's that ... Exhaust valves are different also - the exhaust valves are basically identical to the P54 motorsport engine valves (designs are basically exactly the same, I believe the material used is slightly different however)

But if it's the power you are concerned about I'd just put the stock M3 cams in for the time being whilst you wait for the CSL cams to come from Germany if it ever does!!

Non-CSL cams are also hollow (source - page 13)

[Chappers]

This is probably not going to come across well but I still can't understand this way of thinking of waiting such a horrendously long time for BMW to fix it. Yes you're getting nice new cars in the mean time but as above, there's got to be a way to put the car back together and drive it! I guess lots of people have other toys to play with and use the cars differently, hence the big variations in mileage between members.

I guess also the big problem everyone is worried about is losing providence, the more standard M3 bits you add the worse it gets. You may not ever notice the difference, but I suppose it's still losing that little bit of specialness each time you don't put a genuine CSL bit back on.

[NZ_M3]

is this the only difference CSL/M3 S54 base lump Tom or is there something else?

CSL cams are hollow - so I guess there's that ... Exhaust valves are different also - the exhaust valves are basically identical to the P54 motorsport engine valves (designs are basically exactly the same, I believe the material used is slightly different however)

But if it's the power you are concerned about I'd just put the stock M3 cams in for the time being whilst you wait for the CSL cams to come from Germany if it ever does!!

[shimmy]

This might sound a little crazy, but from what I've seen of the thread in the US with guys converting their cars into full CSL engine management, airbox, MAP sensors ect ... you don't actually need the CSL cams to make CSL power - in fact with a good tune I've seen the standard M3 cams make more power than the CSL.

There's enough adjustment in the Vanos to take into account of slightly less duration of the standard M3 cams, you are simply moving the torque curve that's all ... overall power it'll still be the same as the lifts in both cams are the same (in fact I actually believe the M3 cams are ever so slightly higher than the CSL in lift when measured).

is this the only difference CSL/M3 S54 base lump Tom or is there something else?