Help at Spa/Ring 2010

[glendog74]

Duncan, your nuts ! ! :smt055

Special? :hahaha:

[shane@mbtech]

All interesting stuff Shimmy , received with THANX however calling a CSL "Heavy" sounds a touch mad (remember it's a 4 seater ) + Z4M s are a bit heavier (1495 kg unladen, against CSLs 1460 kg) for a base , no speck car, however most Z4M have Pro Sat Nav, Bluetooth, electric this & that which tips them well over the 1500 kg, with ease. That's "Heavy" for a 2 seater, no disrespect to the Z4M owners, or their car which I happen to like.

If the z4m was good after 3 laps on the 888 then you were driving it like pussies.

888 are ok but go off after 3 ish hard laps, very quickly.

They may be ok i my m3 now its lighter than a csl.

Ill have to try them.

[mattCSLnut]

For track work purposes, most modern 'M's are considered heavy; CSL included. They all work their tyres (and indeed brakes) hard in standard form.

"Health & Safety" is to blame for that I guess :bigcry:. Over the years all cars have grown in size and inevitably put on weight however they have also increased in power :thumbs: . I know it would be NICE to have a 1000 kg CSL like the original E30 m3 but with the "safety in mind" way the E46 is constructed, it's going to be hard work to achieve that for a "Fast Road/Track" M3 CSL. The current M3 convertible or the M6/M5 are heavy so in relative terms the M3 CSL should be though of as a medium light weight :beer:

[TANKSLAPPER]

my m3 now its lighter than a csl.

Don't forget your beer belly.....:blalalala:

[DuncanR]

Don't forget your beer belly.....:blalalala:

I will bring one of those with me, you are all welcome to keep it in good nick and topped up !!!:hahaha::hahaha::thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Don't forget your beer belly.....:blalalala:

Yeh weighing a small 108kg myself makes all my weight saving worthless.

I think I need to chop my other arm off and steer with my dick, :birdman:, to give me some value for money.

NO beer gut for me, although I could do with trimming up, I eat like a bear over the winter:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool:

[shimmy]

All interesting stuff Shimmy , received with THANX however calling a CSL "Heavy" sounds a touch mad (remember it's a 4 seater ) + Z4M s are a bit heavier (1495 kg unladen, against CSLs 1460 kg) for a base , no speck car, however most Z4M have Pro Sat Nav, Bluetooth, electric this & that which tips them well over the 1500 kg, with ease. That's "Heavy" for a 2 seater, no disrespect to the Z4M owners, or their car which I happen to like.

CSL is definitely in the HEAVY range, :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

CSL is definitely in the HEAVY range, :thumbs:

So, if the M3 CSL is in the heavy range, where does the M5, M6 & the M3 Cabriolet fit then ? :whistle:

[shane@mbtech]

So, if the M3 CSL is in the heavy range, where does the M5, M6 & the M3 Cabriolet fit then ? :whistle:

Cruise liner

[AlexGTT]

So, if the M3 CSL is in the heavy range, where does the M5, M6 & the M3 Cabriolet fit then ? :whistle:

Super heavy weights. :whistle:

[glendog74]

So, if the M3 CSL is in the heavy range, where does the M5, M6 & the M3 Cabriolet fit then ? :whistle:

Big Daddy, Giant Haystacks & the not quite as heavy British Bulldog? :clown:

[Curly]

well my original thought was that as i have a stack of 19 inch Cups i might as well get new lighter stiffer 19 inch rims. But the more i look and looking at some recommendations like Thorney on the 18 inch Rays i reckon i can get the rims about £400 cheaper, 1kg per corner lighter and stiffer on 18 inch rims over 19 inch rims and the Cup tyres (dont forget they will be 265 all round) are adding up to about £100+ cheaper a set. so currently if they are availabel in time i will be going 18 inch - but nothing for ce




correct:thumbs:




I have seen R888 on road M3s and GT3s and the main difeences seem to be that;

1.R888 are better in the standing wet stuff
2.R888 are only very slightly cheaper now
3. R888 do overheat quicker on road cars
4. Cups are generally slightly better and grippier in dry conditions

Item 3 is important. R888 on a heavy car like the M3/CSL at over 1400kg + driver seem to go off (overheat) after say 3-4 hot laps whereas Cups take a few laps more. Overheating means your grip goes away and the tyres loose lifespan. Now this can be managed but 3-4 laps isnt very many!

R888 seem to work much better on slightly lighter cars, not sure how heavy the Z4M is but race cars tend to be circa 1100Kg max

might just keep the runflats on now:whistle:

[shimmy]

So, if the M3 CSL is in the heavy range, where does the M5, M6 & the M3 Cabriolet fit then ? :whistle:

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believe me it is heavy for track work - too heavy really

the rest are just blubber buckets:smokin:

[shimmy]

might just keep the runflats on now:whistle:

always nice to have the excuse handy!

[Curly]

Got the ten finger glove for that