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From reading all the relevant forums it seems the blame is turning more and more in the direction of the "Ring :clown: Masters" for inadequate warning sinage of the road works in what is a fairly fast & tricky corner ( Kesselshen not Bergwerk as originally reported ) which has caught out a few car in the past, including VLN Racers, without the additional hindrance of a Road works crew and their useless "too little too late" warning sign :banghead:
A bunch of Lawyers will make a small fortune out of this one. :whistle:Comment
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Here is a good link of the track prior to the crash blatently pinched from a PH poster. I do think the repair men need to do a two week re teach on where to place warning signs on a fast flowing toll road:-
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Originally posted by Pip1968 View PostHere is a good link of the track prior to the crash blatently pinched from a PH poster. I do think the repair men need to do a two week re teach on where to place warning signs on a fast flowing toll road:-
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No wonder there was an 8 car pile up :banghead: No warning what so ever prior to the crest :clown: then .... :119: shitzen pantzen !!! :smt100
I hope once everyone who was involved recovers from this, they group together and ask the " Dumb :clown: F@@ks " who run the Ring some difficult questions about road repair safety and importance of adequate warning signs :whistle:
I dread to think but this could have been any of us Ring regulars from here :smt087Comment
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The video has been removed.... Hmmmm!Comment
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So only the public have to overtake on the left, instructors can take the racing approach then.:whistle:Comment
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I think the " RING Mafia " :smt066 made the guy who posted that video on YouTube an offer he couldn't refuse :whistle:Originally posted by sailorbaz View PostComment
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Blatant negligence on the workers behalf.Originally posted by shimmy View Post
But in this country if you are going round a blind bend and you then smash into a stopped car, its your fault. Not driving to the conditions, slow down for blind bends etc.
50/50 in my view- you take your risks. If it was on a UK track then IMO blame would lie completely with the organisers/marshalls etc.
But, people forget that the ring on a TF day is still a public road, and you "should" drive to the conditions.
145mph round a blind bend is hardly safe driving is it?Comment
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Really very little warning before the roadworks which played a hugh part in the accident although they will claim that locations of works are displayed above the safety video at the track entrance.Comment
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Maybe so but that is exactly what most of us do when out there, you have no idea what is round the next corner, I cannot tell yo uthe ammount of times I have come round a bend to find someone sideways across the track.
I could be wrong but its my understanding that in that instance (out there) its the fault of the guy across the track, causing the accident.
You can bet your ass that the ring taxi will be claiming off one of the T.F. cars and not the company carrying out the works.Comment
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What a week-end of carnage, and even I got lucky on the Monday when 2 cars came together at 90 mph in front of me. Got it on vid but not posting it which is a shame as Tankslapper and I were on a decent lap given the traffic we carved through, and still posted an 8:25. No injuries in the crash in front of me, so I did the only decent thing to do at the Ring if its abvious no one is hurt and thats fook off out of it ! I want no involvement whatsoever with something that doesnt involve me directly, too much specualtion, too much distortion, too much forum bollocks gets turned over by people who werent there and didnt see it, so my advice is as above, no injuries ?, no direct involvement ? no stop.
We drove past the poor marshall on the Saturday who was bowled over by a car as he flagged the incident which was a car fire at AF.
The greedy money grabbing twats running the Ring now imho opinion are riding on the edge of a Corporate Manslaughter charge if things dont change. The sooner their contract/lease ends the better.
Its a Racetrack when they want it to be and a Public road when it suites, and probably a whole manner of things in between.
With regards to the 8 car pile up, I would be looking at the German regulations for temporary road markings and their required setup distances etc., they needed signage that sloooowed people down well before the incident, not panic them into slamming the brakes on and causing havoc.
We happened to be watching at Breidscheid , and taking a cheeky Ice Cream on board when that gaggle of cars came through all together, 2 abreast all the way up around Ex Muhle, and I commented then "that will end in tears" .. you could tell from the speed and car language that that group werent giving in to anyone, which is probably why the accident happened, so intent on keeping their track position etc. that they didnt look at the bigger picture looming up in front of them when the lead vehicles hit the brakes. Could have been a whole lot worse that one.
There doesnt seem to be a report about the poor biker who probably lost his leg sadly on Monday in another crash.
My other personal opinion for what its worth, if its a German Bank Holiday, let them have their fookin track to themselves.Comment
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I learnt that one back in April with northernjim :banghead:Originally posted by DuncanR View PostComment
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