First Trackday

[Mike RT4]

thanks for advice. I will get these put on the wheels and try them this wk ,, see how they feel at 30 psi” ish. Hopefully get some new pilot sport or cups Really didn’t want to spend a fortune 1st track day. But also didn’t want to be on the edge, will do castrol srf brake fluid this wk ,, been looking at pads dam expensive ,, front and rear. Doesn’t seem any change from £500 Don’t think I’ll be doing these ,, ma have to just run normal new Textar street pads I already have this time, bed them in this wk with new fluid,see how they feel :whistle: as noted other post don’t think I’ll be going for a lap record :smokin:

I haven't been to Angelsy, so I don't know what it is like on brakes, but if you don't change the pads, it could potentially ruin your day. I once put in a brand new set of Pagid street pads in my S2000 (as I couldn't get RS29s in time, and the existing ones were getting low) and in the first 20 minutes of being on track at Bedford, they were down to 2mm off the backing plates (giving me some heart-stopping moments with the pedal going to the floor - despite the SRF fluid). Luckily I brought the worn RS29s with me and was able to fit those and finish the day with no issues.

So with road pads, you could find that your day would be cut dramatically short and would be a loss of the best part of the day where you were sitting on the sidelines WISHING you had fitted proper pads...... I can't express enough how braking on track is so much different than the road.

You can get extended life out of your investment by refitting the road pads for street use and only using the RS29s for track, but I find that I get so used to the braking performance of them, I can't bring myself to go backwards :hahaha:.

[phoenixcsl]

Chad,

Deffo do the pads, the standard ones are like chocolate, you'll probably get fade or ruin your discs with deposit as they will just smear.

If you can't stretch to RS29's then get the PFC (Performance Friction), they are a lot cheaper than the RS29 and a worthy upgrade over OEM pads.

They are cheap too:

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod130799/PFC-Fast-Road-and-Race-Front-Brake-Pads-BMW-E46-M3--E36-M3/

https://www.design911.co.uk/fu/prod130800/PFC-BRAKE-PADS-REAR-BMW-M3-E46-01-----E46-CSL--7-SERIES-E38--8-SERIES-E31--Z4-M-COUPE/

Ferodo DS1.11 are as good as RS29, cheaper than RS29, but more expensive than PFC:

https://www.rosssport.com/Brands/FERODO/Ferodo-DS111-Brake-Pad-Set-FERFCP1073W

[Chad]

Thanks again guys. Better get some decent pads then ,, I’m presuming are all good with oem disc’s. Q will track pads trash my new disc’s As old front disc’s are on the limit of wear ,, obviously would prefer to trash old disc’s,, I realise mike said kill old disc’s.. I’m taking onboard all this information and advice chaps thanks. Chad,,, Off to bank to check my bank balance :banghead:

[Mike RT4]

Thanks again guys. Better get some decent pads then ,, I’m pressuring are all good with oem disc’s. Q will track pads trash my new disc’s As old front disc’s are on the limit of wear ,, obviously would prefer to trash old disc’s,, I realise mike said kill old disc’s.. I’m taking onboard all this information and advice chaps thanks. Chad,,, Off to bank to check my bank balance :banghead:

Defo kill the old discs if they are near the end of their life .

Regarding the PF pads, I have used them in the past and they are great (with one proviso). Do NOT under ANY circumstances leave the brake dust on the car / wheels to allow them to get wet and allow the dust to rust. They have a high metal content and will weld themselves on to the car/wheels, making it extremely difficult to remove :banghead:. As soon as you get home, wash the brake dust off IMMEDIATELY.

[scoobs998]

Apologies Chad for the thread hijack but i am in a very similar boat!
First track day coming up on 17th Sept at Castle Combe and have Silverstone booked for 25th Nov.
My current brake setup is Front KSport big brake kit with EBC Bluestuff pads
Porsche/Brembo rear 4 pot caliper conversion. MPSS tyres fitted. Thoughts for my up coming days aprreciated also :thumbs:

Kev

[Mike RT4]

Apologies Chad for the thread hijack but i am in a very similar boat!
First track day coming up on 17th Sept at Castle Combe and have Silverstone booked for 25th Nov.
My current brake setup is Front KSport big brake kit with EBC Bluestuff pads
Porsche/Brembo rear 4 pot caliper conversion. MPSS tyres fitted. Thoughts for my up coming days aprreciated also :thumbs:

Kev

You haven't mentioned fluid?

[scoobs998]

You haven't mentioned fluid?

Doh ..... Currently running with ATE TYPE 200.

[CraigMillwardCroft]

You'll be fine on those, I'd drop the pressures out of them and run them at something like 30psi hot.

You won't have the same grip as Cups or Cup2, and they will probably go off quicker, but you'll still have fun, just trash them and go home happy!

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

[Mike RT4]

Doh ..... Currently running with ATE TYPE 200.

Well put it this way, the wet boiling point of Castrol SRF is within a few degrees of the dry boiling point of the above.......

[scoobs998]

Well put it this way, the wet boiling point of Castrol SRF is within a few degrees of the dry boiling point of the above.......

Understood ! Do you think a first timer / novice will have a problem? Change regardless?

[Chad]

Understood ! Do you think a first timer / novice will have a problem? Change regardless?

My castrol srf arrived yesterday cheapest I could find £49 inc delivery. Will run this through to the lines this weekend. As I’ve got a full set new oem brake hose lines Will probably fit these at the same time ,,, :smokin:

[Mike RT4]

Understood ! Do you think a first timer / novice will have a problem? Change regardless?

It depends how hard you or the circuit are on brakes. Given that you could crash the car if the fluid boils (leading to a loss of pedal) or at the very least have a heart stopping moment, I don't think that it is worth skimping on for the sake of £49.

To me it is worth it for piece of mind and the prevention of turtle head moments :hahaha: :bigcry:.

I also don't like EBC pads (having had bad experiences of them years ago), but they may have improved since then. I don't think they belong on a car of this value :blalalala:.

[phoenixcsl]

It depends how hard you or the circuit are on brakes. Given that you could crash the car if the fluid boils (leading to a loss of pedal) or at the very least have a heart stopping moment, I don't think that it is worth skimping on for the sake of £49.

To me it is worth it for piece of mind and the prevention of turtle head moments :hahaha: :bigcry:.

I also don't like EBC pads (having had bad experiences of them years ago), but they may have improved since then. I don't think they belong on a car of this value :blalalala:.

I'm with Mike on this one, over the years i've tried all kinds of fluid, AP, ATE Super Blue, Motul RBF600 etc.

I have had that moment myself years ago in my old E46 M3, pedal to the floor due to boiled fluid, nearly crashed, I absolutely cacked my pants, honestly thought I was a goner.

SRF is by far the most consistent, I've used it in all my cars for years, ideally it needs changing every year to keep it at it's best.

EBC pads are shocking, they melt, I had a set of rear EBC yellow in my old i8, I managed to melt them after 1 track session at Bedford, I can't even sell them for £5 on eBay as no one will bid, not much better compound than a OEM pad imo.

[phoenixcsl]

My castrol srf arrived yesterday cheapest I could find £49 inc delivery. Will run this through to the lines this weekend. As I’ve got a full set new oem brake hose lines Will probably fit these at the same time ,,, :smokin:

Good stuff mate, I'd probably say bleed all of the litre bottle through to make sure the old fluid is out, especially with new hoses.

I re-did my brakes on the weekend as i've just changed my calipers again to something else :clown:

Make sure you wd40 your bleed nipples (ooer) the night before, as they are notorious for siezing up. :thumbs:

[select]

Doh ..... Currently running with ATE TYPE 200.

Its plenty fine, sure castrol SRF has a higher boiling point.. but you need to change it annualy compared to the ATE which is fine with 2-3 years.


Also the boiling points are rather close.

# ATE Super Blue Racing: 280°C
# Castrol SRF Racing: 303°C


I've been using ATE for a few years now with pagid pads and i never had issues. Only that the paint on my calipers have become gold :hahaha::gayfight: