Anyone bypass throttle body coolant lines?

[m3f_ynrm3]

You would ice up if you sit in idling traffic on cold humid days, common in New England. You must not idle too long and you got lucky. And no way that you gained 1hp. With the volume of air flowing past the small heated area there's no way it would heat the air charge enough to make a difference. Why would you post this when you have no idea what you're talking about? I think the engineers have just a slight idea what's going in here. Nice post Richardsperry!

lol.. god youre ignorant..are you serious... i have been driving Ms since 97.. and built many engines.. i do now what i am talking about... i have never ever iced up in the 4 yrs living in new england.. and it does make a difference.. it keeps the throttle body at a cooler temp.. hence when the air enters the throttle body goes into the engine...its at a much lower ambient temp...



how would you ice up even if you sat in -60 weather when the engine bay is still 100 plus... sorry but just pure ignorant...

[m3f_camdinans3]

i love how you engineers think only an engineer can understand this


this mod does nothing. period.

the degree of airflow results in a negigable heating of the air as it passes by. you want REAL cooling of the intake charge, get a water/air aftercooler.


The OP asked if anyone had done it and how to do it. its been answered. Even if you do this mod, there is enough contact heat from the head and ambient heat from the engine bay to heat it up anyways. so seriously, its not cooling anything down.

[m3f_TheM]

lol.. god youre ignorant..are you serious....how would you ice up even if you sat in -60 weather when the engine bay is still 100 plus... sorry but just pure ignorant...

It's called the Bernoulli principle. As intake air goes around the nearly closed TB plate (car is at idle) the air is dramatically accelerated. The accelerated air is lower in pressure and temperature which causes the moisture in the air to condense. This condensation accumulates on the TB as ice, choking off the engine. This same problem happens on small recip airplanes so much that the engineers came up with carb heat that applies hot exhaust air to the intake charge to prevent ice buildup and subsequent engine stoppage. Science FTW! Now who's ignorant?

[m3f_camdinans3]

i simply do not care enough about this mod to discuss bernoulli and laminar flow. it is ridiculous. just don't do the mod


The engine bay is hot. Period. The throttle body is hot from contact with the head. Period. This mod does nothing. Period.

[m3f_ynrm3]

It's called the Bernoulli principle. As intake air goes around the nearly closed TB plate (car is at idle) the air is dramatically accelerated. The accelerated air is lower in pressure and temperature which causes the moisture in the air to condense. This condensation accumulates on the TB as ice, choking off the engine. This same problem happens on small recip airplanes so much that the engineers came up with carb heat that applies hot exhaust air to the intake charge to prevent ice buildup and subsequent engine stoppage. Science FTW! Now who's ignorant?

sometimes when.. things on paper work out doesnt mean it will play out the same way in real life...



i will beat you my car.. that it will not frezze up.. will go to the coldest part of north america let it idle all day if you want.. and if it frezzez up.. the car is yours.. i am not kidding... but if it doesnt then you give me your car...



and i am confident in what will happen because i have ran mine for 4yrs wo a problem. in -20 wind chill weather..



you tested yours on paper i tested mine in real life.... lets see who prevails...

[m3f_Synenergy52]

Wow you guys got busy on this thread since I went to sleep. Thanks for all the info... looks like I won't be doing this mod

[m3f_Anubis]

and i am confident in what will happen because i have ran mine for 4yrs wo a problem. in -20 wind chill weather..

I totally forgot about the massive wind chill inside my engine bay. I guess that's where the math in this thread went wrong - they forgot to calculate the additional effect of the wind chill on the throttle body - it gets cold, man! And it doesn't have any goosebumps to help it warm up.

[m3f_badgtho]

It's called the Bernoulli principle. As intake air goes around the nearly closed TB plate (car is at idle) the air is dramatically accelerated. The accelerated air is lower in pressure and temperature which causes the moisture in the air to condense. This condensation accumulates on the TB as ice, choking off the engine. This same problem happens on small recip airplanes so much that the engineers came up with carb heat that applies hot exhaust air to the intake charge to prevent ice buildup and subsequent engine stoppage. Science FTW! Now who's ignorant?

your text book may tell you that.



real life dicates that it's about 200 degrees in there... and water don't freeze.

[m3f_ynrm3]

I totally forgot about the massive wind chill inside my engine bay. I guess that's where the math in this thread went wrong - they forgot to calculate the additional effect of the wind chill on the throttle body - it gets cold, man! And it doesn't have any goosebumps to help it warm up.

just a pure comedian dude... are you here weeknights too.. lol.... jk.. dude...

[m3f_Anubis]

just a pure comedian dude... are you here weeknights too.. lol.... jk.. dude...

Just until Thursday.

[m3f_Richardsperry]

The earth is flat, I can see it. Doesn't matter that 1000 years of science and engineering have proven... Witches float, they are made of wood, I saw that once too...



It isn't idle that may cause a problem, it part throttle.



The throttle doesn't freeze closed, it may freeze cracked open.



I don't care what the temp of the engine bay is, almost nobody is sucking air from there... And it has no relation to what is going on at the throttle plate.



There is a thermostat that shuts off flow of coolant in warmer temps.



Wind chill only affects living warm blooded things, moron... Get a degree in mechanical engineering or at least read a thermodynamics, and a heat transfer and fluid flow book and then you may open your mouth again...

[m3f_ynrm3]

The earth is flat, I can see it. Doesn't matter that 1000 years of science and engineering have proven... Witches float, they are made of wood, I saw that once too...



It isn't idle that may cause a problem, it part throttle.



The throttle doesn't freeze closed, it may freeze cracked open.



I don't care what the temp of the engine bay is, almost nobody is sucking air from there... And it has no relation to what is going on at the throttle plate.



There is a thermostat that shuts off flow of coolant in warmer temps.



Wind chill only affects living warm blooded things, moron... Get a degree in mechanical engineering or at least read a thermodynamics, and a heat transfer and fluid flow book and then you may open your mouth again...

not sure who you are calling a moron... but isnt the ambient air temp lower.. if the wind chill is lower of course.. i dont need a mechanical enginer degree for that...



you can read all the books you want on heat transfer.. but it still wont frezze open or shot or whatever you wanna call it.. ive had it for 4 yrs without a problem...



I cant stand ignorant dorky engineers look you have shown yourself to be... instead of reading text books, get out in the in the real world and try and work on something...



ive prob built more engines by the time i was 16.. then you have your whole life...



a little newsflash for you.. engineers arent always right otherwise we wouldnt have anything ever go wrong...



you can show me documents till your blue in the face... but it will never ever frezze over.. because you proved in your book and i proved it in real life...



i may not have my deggree in enginering.. but i have my phd in economics.. have my own trading biz.. and gorgeoues gf and beautifull wife one day you will never ever have...



i am done with this thread and done with your ignorance.. just not even worth it... youre arguing with me on something i have proven to be true...

[m3f_cfn101788]

not sure who you are calling a moron... but isnt the ambient air temp lower.. if the wind chill is lower of course.. i dont need a mechanical enginer degree for that...



you can read all the books you want on heat transfer.. but it still wont frezze open or shot or whatever you wanna call it.. ive had it for 4 yrs without a problem...



I cant stand ignorant dorky engineers look you have shown yourself to be... instead of reading text books, get out in the in the real world and try and work on something...



ive prob built more engines by the time i was 16.. then you have your whole life...



a little newsflash for you.. engineers arent always right otherwise we wouldnt have anything ever go wrong...



you can show me documents till your blue in the face... but it will never ever frezze over.. because you proved in your book and i proved it in real life...

You don't need a fluid dynamics book. Instead you need this for sure....



http://www.amazon.com/Allyn-Bacon-Gu...9207628&sr=8-1



And probably one of these too...



http://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webste...9207723&sr=1-1

[m3f_ynrm3]

You don't need a fluid dynamics book. Instead you need this for sure....



http://www.amazon.com/Allyn-Bacon-Gu...9207628&sr=8-1



And probably one of these too...



http://www.amazon.com/Merriam-Webste...9207723&sr=1-1

maybe i can have youre mom teach it to me... sorry if i dont watch my grammer for idots on the forum when i am trying to work...



how about i come to seattle when i am there in 3weeks to visit family.. to kick your ass...

[m3f_Synenergy52]

Take it easy guys.