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    New Droop Travel Spacers for AST's

    So last month after a track day I found one of my front AST's to be blown and spewing fluid all over my wheel/wheel well. Seeing as though the fronts were brand new as of this season, and had only 2k miles on them, this concerned me. I had it shipped back to Brian at AST-USA and he got back to me right away after he took them apart. He noticed that I had my ride height set pretty high, so I explained how I needed to clear my 9.5" wheels with 255s up front. I had the adjuster / lower spring perch set above the top of the shock body, so that a few threads were sticking out. I know a few other AST guys running like this due to the shorter springs that are supplied so I figured it was fine. Apparently the spring perch was high enough that it was putting side loads on the top guide which caused the o-ring to fail, hence the fluid leaking out. The damper was literally "topping out", which is basically the opposite of bottoming out. Most people who lower their cars excessively will run out of bump travel; I was running out of droop travel.


    As recommended by Brian, I called Terry at Vorshlag to discuss my options of having a spacer made - this seems to be a common problem in the E46 world so they already had a solution for that. Terry quickly had some spacers made for me, and shipped them overnight so I could attend my Auto-x that weekend. The spacers sit between the upper spring perch / bearing and the bottom of the Vorshlag camber plates themselves. However, this causes a problem where the stack height is too tall to be able to get a lock nut on the top of the strut, so a custom nut was made where it sits down inside the camber plates and is threaded with a "nut" on the top. Interesting concept, and actually works great. I took some pictures of when I first took them out and was playing around with the spacers, so excuse the dirtiness.


    This shows the Vorshlag plates without the spacer





    This is the Vorshlag plates WITH the spacer





    Without the spacer





    Again without, notice the amount of threads available for the upper nut





    With the spacer in place





    Without the spacer there is sufficient threads for the upper nut





    With the spacer, the threads do not show





    The new upper nut has a threaded portion that fits down in there, and tightens up top. Genius solution if you ask me!





    In place, before tightened down





    New parts installed, all said and done...





    The knob sits right above the nut on the new setup.





    The new nut and spacer - nut is on the left, spacer on the right








    The "newest design" of the sway bar collars with locking rings on the top and bottom that lock with spanner wrenches. In this most recent design, it's not possible to pinch the shock body by over tightening the bolt.





    I've put a good amount of miles on the car and auto-x'd it since these were installed, and I've had zero issues and the shocks are actually in their optimum range of travel now. I'm pretty sure this also took care of a clunk that I had in the front that I couldn't figure out, since I was hearing the shocks top out. If you are running AST's and have a similar issue, I'd call Terry and get these spacers - they'll run you $30 for the set. Hope this helps!

    #2
    nom nom nom!



    Ant and I were talking about this just a few days ago so I'm really happy you posted this up.

    How much were the upgraded sway link mounts with the collars?



    Good work!

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      #3
      Brian just gave me the newest design no charge, and also rebuilt them under warranty free of charge - he even covered the shipping back to me! Once again their customer service was top notch and both Brian and Terry pulled through for me.


      I know a good amount of people on here running AST's at higher ride heights so I wanted to get this up for you guys. I haven't seen anyone else run these on an E36, I'm the first that I know of. Definitely a good solution though if you've run out of droop travel.

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        #4
        this is very interesting. i have to have mine adjusted pretty high which i thought was strange, but no issues as of yet. guess i'll have to keep an eye on it. the swaybar mounts are pretty awesome though.

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          #5
          text message sent to get response before flame spraying you

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            #6
            VERY VERY crude diagram in paint, but I just confirmed it with Brian @ AST.



            Your current orientation on the collar will put pressure on the collar, and force it to rotate around the strut. You really need to install it in the correct orientation before it rotates and causes an issue with the rim/wheel.



            the new design mimics the OEM design with the swaybar attachment on a tangent off the back of the strut, and thus will create no pressure on the collar anymore and the pressure is directly up and down, and not "around" the strut, causing the collar to move/rotate



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              #7
              I really want to like AST, Brian is a very nice guy. But it seems they are just engineering on the fly and using retail customers as beta testers.

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                #8
                As with any new product, there will be design flaws and issues, especially when you get something aftermarket like coilovers. I understood this from the beginning, and it helps when you have awesome customer support and a company that stands behind their product to help solve any issues that may arrise. Technically I ran the spring perches too high, so any other company could have easily told me to go F myself and not warranty it, but they not only fixed the strut for free but also helped find me a solution so that it didn't happen again. I'd rather be a "beta tester" for a company that stands behind their product then run GC's again where even with my lifetime warranty, they refused to return my calls or help rebuild my coils when they blew out. Ground Control's customer service is horrible in my experience, as well as many other companies out there today.



                Either way, thanks for the heads up Cal. That's the way they were shipped so I just assumed they were right - I'll fix them while the car is down this winter.

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                  #9
                  Nice post - I too have the droop-increasing spacer built into my plates on the E46, which I think they've been doing for a few months now. The "issue" with limited droop, from what I've read, has only been a recent problem as more and more people with "dual use" cars are beginning to use ASTs and spec'ing higher ride heights. The suspension became quite a bit more popular with the price drop a while ago.


                  If that photo is of your driver's side, you just need to either swap your front shocks (assuming the passenger side looks the same), or thread the swaybar endlink mount off and "flip" it over (excellent MS Paint above). Driver's side...

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by jph28
                    If that photo is of your driver's side, you just need to either swap your front shocks (assuming the passenger side looks the same), or thread the swaybar endlink mount off and "flip" it over (excellent MS Paint above). Driver's side...

                    exactly... I have a feeling the shocks just got flipped on installation.... which would actually be the correct orientation for the passenger side All depends on the brake line/abs sensor wire holder on the strut, determining what side it belongs on

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by jph28
                      Nice post - I too have the droop-increasing spacer built into my plates on the E46, which I think they've been doing for a few months now. The "issue" with limited droop, from what I've read, has only been a recent problem as more and more people with "dual use" cars are beginning to use ASTs and spec'ing higher ride heights. The suspension became quite a bit more popular with the price drop a while ago.



                      If that photo is of your driver's side, you just need to either swap your front shocks (assuming the passenger side looks the same), or thread the swaybar endlink mount off and "flip" it over (excellent MS Paint above). Driver's side...
                      Thanks man. Struts are on the correct sides, and the orientation of the brake line carriers would be backwards if I switch them (along with the camber plates), so I'll just take them apart this winter while the car is down.



                      Spacers are great though, and I know that a ton of E46 guys are using them - I just haven't heard of another E36 need them yet. Hopefully this will help the plethora of other guys on here who run the same setup at almost the same height.

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                        #12
                        hrmm interesting

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                          #13
                          I had just this exact problem and sent my 4100s to Terry. Although I did pay $300 for a rebuild through AST, and they never mentioned covering it under warranty.

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                            #14
                            How many miles were on your struts?

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                              #15
                              About 15k miles total, I bought them second hand and I believe they were one of the first few sets of 4100s.



                              Asked Terry if he'd honor a warranty on the front passenger side which had the problem you experienced.



                              Ryan

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