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    Non-Start Issues | Help Needed

    I am having a non-start issue with my E36 M3 Coupe. Right now its cranking but not starting, my guess is there's a fuel delivery issue...but first, here are the vehicle specs and a description of how the issue first began...



    Vehicle

    1996 E36 M3 Coupe

    05/May 1996 build date

    207,XXX miles



    I got the car from a buddy - who bought the car sight unseen. When he finally saw it...he immediately gave up on it haha. It was overheating, infested with spiders and hadn't run/been driven in years. Tursn out all it needed was a lot of elbow grease, tons of insecticide and a full cooling system refresh and she was back to running like a champ.



    Im not sure if one of the previous owners converted the car back to OBD1 or not...but here is a shot under the hood and under the dashboard.



    I also have a E36 M3 Sedan and this car is MUCH faster (my guess is 20 to 30hp better), so im assuming its been tuned.

















    Current non-start issues:

    One day i drove this beauty to the office, at lunch i came out and sat in it....but when i left i forgot the key in the ignition.



    When i returned, the battery was totally drained and the car would not start. After trying to jump the car....nothing improved. We tried bump/push to start...the car still would not start.



    At this point i realized that it wasn't a simple lack of voltage....something was actually disabled spark/fuel wise.



    I tried fully charging the battery. I tried a NEW battery. The dash lights up, everything seems functional...but when you turn the key, nothing....no crank, no clicking...nada.



    I ruled out the starter as the starter was strong before the issue and never gave me issues.



    After some research (and towing it home) i concluded that perhaps the EWS and the Key had become out of sync.



    here is my key type, its definitely the version with a chip + EWSII system:





    I went to the dealer to order a new key, easy enough...but after speaking with the SA, he assured me that it would more than likely be deeper than just a new key....these keys dont usually just deprogram themselves.



    So i considered an EWS bypass after looking online and viewing some videos. its worked for some people with the same set up as mine....and not worked for others, i figured it was worth a try.



    EWS Bypass:













    now after completing the bypass....the car still will not start....but at least the key seems to work now. now, the car at least cranks...the starter is nice & strong and so is the batter (its hooked up to a tender and currently at full strength). i also tried jumping the car thinking that some extra voltage would help...nada.



    im thinking that fuel is not being delivered...perhaps the starter rely has been bypassed with the EWS bypass but the fuel system relay isnt allowing fuel to flow?



    any thoughts?



    Here are my next things to investigate:
    • Fuel relay/fuel pump fuses
    • starter relay / ignition relay (controlling spark plugs?)


    I'm still a novice so forgive me if i forgot something simple. Any help would greatly appreciated!

    #2
    Hate to be that guy but did you check the fuses and relay?


    If it sounds like it cranking healthy it's most likely a fuel issue. One quick thing you can check is remove the air filter, have someone crank it and spray some starting fluid. If it starts with that than yeah it's a fuel issue.


    My 95 pump recently shorted itself and blew all the fuses/relay attached to it.


    Hope you can find the problem.


    Also for the future start with the easiest fix first. Sounds like you jumped straight to the worst possible issue.

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      #3
      great suggestions! i checked all the fuses after the battery issue. i looked at the relays and they seemed to be fine, but i may just replace them all to be safe.





      the hunt continues...






      Originally posted by Rouzbeh
      Hate to be that guy but did you check the fuses and relay?



      If it sounds like it cranking healthy it's most likely a fuel issue. One quick thing you can check is remove the air filter, have someone crank it and spray some starting fluid. If it starts with that than yeah it's a fuel issue.



      My 95 pump recently shorted itself and blew all the fuses/relay attached to it.





      Hope you can find the problem.



      Also for the future start with the easiest fix first. Sounds like you jumped straight to the worst possible issue.

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        #4
        i should also mention that someone at some point modded the car so that its not necessary to put the clutch to the floor before starting..

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          #5
          Originally posted by umichchris
          i should also mention that someone at some point modded the car so that its not necessary to put the clutch to the floor before starting..
          do the quick starting fluid test and see what the results are. You can also check the amp's from the fuel pump/ see if the filter is clogged.





          The clutch thing shouldn't be an issue. I believe only 97's+ came with the clutch switch. But if you want you can double check to see if it is modified.



          http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...-Switch-Bypass



          Also is your car throwing any codes? or is it just cranking healthy and not starting?

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            #6
            As was said above, see if it will start and run for a few seconds on starting fluid.

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              #7
              UPDATE:


              Tried to start it using starter fluid sprayed into the air intake/throttle body and it did not turn over at all...my guess is that there is no spark though the starter is now turning.


              Recap:


              originally i would turn the key and there was zero activity other than the dash lighting up. no clicking, no cranking...nada.


              I performed an EWS bypass and at least the starter would turn when i tried to start the car, but it still would not crank.


              using starter fluid, my next guess was to see if it was a fuel delivery issue, but since the car did not crank (only the starter turning) i am guessing its an ignition/spark issue.


              any thoughts?

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                #8
                I'm not an expert on the EWS bypass, but even with the wiring changes you made, don't you have to reflash?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by aeronaut
                  I'm not an expert on the EWS bypass, but even with the wiring changes you made, don't you have to reflash?
                  possibly, but from what ive read on how to complete the bypass, the car should start up once you bypass all that EWS security crap...

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                    #10
                    almost 2 months and its still not running...


                    im guessing at the point only the dealer can fix it. anyone ever have a similar problem? if so, what was your fix?


                    things ive ruled out:


                    - Battery

                    - Starter

                    - Fuel pump


                    im no sure what else it could be other than modules need to be replaced or fixed.

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                      #11
                      four months later....still not starting.


                      two weeks ago i had a local guy come and resync the key, EWS and ECU....but still nothing.


                      the fuel pump primes....but the car wont start.


                      when we try the EWS II bypass the starter will turn....but the car wont start.


                      when we plug in the EWS II and have the key, EWS II and the ECU all synced....the starter wont even engage.


                      seemingly there is a fault in the security system, so we tried unplugging the OEM security system...nada.


                      at this point, the car is a brick and im tired of it. any help would be greatly appreciated!

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                        #12
                        Where are you located?

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                          #13
                          Los Angeles, CA

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                            #14
                            aaaaaaand.......8 months later.....its running lol


                            anyone who experiences this or a similar issue, try getting a brand new key made. once i got a new key from the dealer, it started right up just like day 1

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