Engine Loud Ticking Noise - Need Advice

[nahvkolaj]

It's easy to accidentally install the clip that its claws not grasping on the follower rod. It happened to me once after a valve clearance check/adjust, that I only detected the issue during a final visual check on each claw before installing the VC, and saw one was in between the rod and the head wall instead of around the rod. This would be a disaster if I didn't catch it.

Regardless stock or aftermarket cams/follower, the only way for the shim to jump out is the clip was off the rocker rod, and this only happened if the claws were not around the rod.

There are 24 spring clip claws to check and it's easy to see clearly if the claws are around the rod or on outer side of the rod.

The difference is you did that QA check. When I did my valve adjustment, I checked and rechecked my work, especially after I found out how easy it is to improperly place the clip.

Lang didn't do that and now isn't being accountable for his work. It's low.

[jet_dogg]

Didn't know so many people are having so many bad experience with Lang. He was my go-to shop for everything S54 when it was inconvenient to have KAIV work on my car since Lang is only about a mile away from my work. But after seeing this, I don't think I will be doing business with them again. This thread got me worried a bit now since the last time my car was there was for a valve adjustment about a year or so ago!

Anyone have any recommendation for a good shop in Irvine or South OC?

Just go to eas, they’re the only ones I would trust in the area.

I've known Tom and Steve for 20 years, they're first and foremost car guys.

[Xmetal]

Didn't know so many people are having so many bad experience with Lang. He was my go-to shop for everything S54 when it was inconvenient to have KAIV work on my car since Lang is only about a mile away from my work. But after seeing this, I don't think I will be doing business with them again. This thread got me worried a bit now since the last time my car was there was for a valve adjustment about a year or so ago!

Anyone have any recommendation for a good shop in Irvine or South OC?

[sapote]

What's crazy is it wouldn't cost him much to get you sorted on what is pretty obviously their screw up and rep points would go up considerably. smh.

Not honest and not smart doing business.

[Icecream]

What's crazy is it wouldn't cost him much to get you sorted on what is pretty obviously their screw up and rep points would go up considerably. smh.

[bigjae46]

I'm sure he would claim this is only for full engine rebuilds and not with use of aftermarket parts. Regardless of what the website says.

Didn't someone buy a reman'd engine from Lang and had an issue soon thereafter...Lang said F' off?

[duracellttu]

https://www.langracing.com/services/...built-engines/

Lang claims otherwise directly on their website as this is under the heading of purpose built engines utilizing aftermarket parts.


From the link above:

Whether it's a simple and economical rebuild for your street car or trying to get every last bit of horsepower out of a race engine, we can put together a package for you whatever your budget may be. We stand behind all engines we build with one of the most comprehensive warranties in the industry. We offer complete engine removal, tear down, inspection, assembly and re installation at our Irvine facility. If you think you're in the market for an engine rebuild we're the first place to call.

A purpose built engine differs from an engine that is delivered in a car from the manufacturer. The engine that comes in a production car is meant to make a particular amount of horsepower and do it with some kind of reliability that is acceptable to the general public, within a particular price range. Often times though we want something different from that engine, whether it is increased reliability, increased power output, or in most cases, both. A purpose built engine can achieve many things that the factory built engine cannot, all engines are a compromise of three things:What we specialize in is balancing these three factors to redesign a factory engine and build an engine that meets your specific requirements. Using our partners at CP-Carrillo we are able to make single runs of custom rods and pistons for stroker engines, destroked engines, forced induction engines, and everything in between. We are able to custom design crankshafts for high end builds that can either maximize the available stroke in an engine block, or even reduce stroke to rev the engine to a higher RPM and make big horsepower numbers. When required we can also design and produce crankshafts that will specifically meet the demands you need, whether that is modified journal dimensions, stroke, or weight. Our cylinder head program allows us to modify cylinder heads to achieve the flow you require while also using high quality components from Supertech and Schrick allow for higher RPM, larger cams, and increased horsepower by reducing valve train weight. We are also able to suggest the proper cam lift and duration for your particular engine and supply the highest quality Schrick cams that will meet your engines requirements.

I'm sure he would claim this is only for full engine rebuilds and not with use of aftermarket parts. Regardless of what the website says.

[sapote]

I think it is pretty clear what happened just based on the pictures. The S54 valve train is a pretty simple design. The stock spring clips and stock follower shafts which retain the followers don't just fail on their own. Either someone didn't fully install the spring clip and the follower fell off the top of the valve after 500 miles (most likely), or the spring clip was bent/damaged from a previous valve adjustment and they did not catch that during the cylinder head rebuild.

It's easy to accidentally install the clip that its claws not grasping on the follower rod. It happened to me once after a valve clearance check/adjust, that I only detected the issue during a final visual check on each claw before installing the VC, and saw one was in between the rod and the head wall instead of around the rod. This would be a disaster if I didn't catch it.

Regardless stock or aftermarket cams/follower, the only way for the shim to jump out is the clip was off the rocker rod, and this only happened if the claws were not around the rod.

There are 24 spring clip claws to check and it's NOT easy to see clearly if the claws are around the rod or on outer side of the rod.

[duracellttu]

Thanks for all the advice everybody. I'm still trying to figure out my path forward. Right now I'm just going to start sourcing parts and figure out labor when I get it all together.

Lang mentioned machine shops that can repair and polish the damaged camshaft at a fraction of the price of purchasing a new one. Anybody have any experience with this?

[Ryan_R]

That’s funny. In my email to him I asked him about the 14mm Schrick cams and he just replied, “I don’t know, I’ve never used them”

[oceansize]

https://www.langracing.com/services/...built-engines/

Lang claims otherwise directly on their website as this is under the heading of purpose built engines utilizing aftermarket parts.


From the link above:

Whether it’s a simple and economical rebuild for your street car or trying to get every last bit of horsepower out of a race engine, we can put together a package for you whatever your budget may be. We stand behind all engines we build with one of the most comprehensive warranties in the industry. We offer complete engine removal, tear down, inspection, assembly and re installation at our Irvine facility. If you think you’re in the market for an engine rebuild we’re the first place to call.

A purpose built engine differs from an engine that is delivered in a car from the manufacturer. The engine that comes in a production car is meant to make a particular amount of horsepower and do it with some kind of reliability that is acceptable to the general public, within a particular price range. Often times though we want something different from that engine, whether it is increased reliability, increased power output, or in most cases, both. A purpose built engine can achieve many things that the factory built engine cannot, all engines are a compromise of three things:What we specialize in is balancing these three factors to redesign a factory engine and build an engine that meets your specific requirements. Using our partners at CP-Carrillo we are able to make single runs of custom rods and pistons for stroker engines, destroked engines, forced induction engines, and everything in between. We are able to custom design crankshafts for high end builds that can either maximize the available stroke in an engine block, or even reduce stroke to rev the engine to a higher RPM and make big horsepower numbers. When required we can also design and produce crankshafts that will specifically meet the demands you need, whether that is modified journal dimensions, stroke, or weight. Our cylinder head program allows us to modify cylinder heads to achieve the flow you require while also using high quality components from Supertech and Schrick allow for higher RPM, larger cams, and increased horsepower by reducing valve train weight. We are also able to suggest the proper cam lift and duration for your particular engine and supply the highest quality Schrick cams that will meet your engines requirements.

[dukeofchen]

A 'People of M3F vs. Andrew Lang' legal fund for this would go down in internet history


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[01SG]

You're starting to sound like a lawyer...lol

If you're in the military then you can might be able to find a free lawyer through vet programs. I'd check there first.

Not until I pass the Bar!

And I was wrong. Diversity actions, which relate to subject-matter jurisdiction, still require personal jurisdiction too, which is probably not present and would allow a suit in the state court if it were anyway.

[bigjae46]

OP would have to prove the damages were in excess of $75,000, and then he could sue under diversity jurisdiction in the federal court in Kansas-if OP actually changed citizenship to Kansas permanently and isn't merely residing there. Short of that, he's off to Cali, which may or may not be worth it. I don't know how much it costs to fix this problem.

You're starting to sound like a lawyer...lol

If you're in the military then you can might be able to find a free lawyer through vet programs. I'd check there first.

[01SG]

Would be awesome if you could sue Lang in Kansas and make is ass fly there. Would be worth it just to piss him off.

OP would have to prove the damages were in excess of $75,000, and then he could sue under diversity jurisdiction in the federal court in Kansas-if OP actually changed citizenship to Kansas permanently and isn't merely residing there. Short of that, he's off to Cali, which may or may not be worth it. I don't know how much it costs to fix this problem.