Buying Beisan VANOS, What Else Do I Need?

[karter16]

This is part of the DrVanos anti-rattle kit which is completely different from Beisan. The polished gears seemed like they wouldn't really do anything and one other member mentioned that they also installed this part. I figured, why not?

Because as it stands there is nothing in your list of parts that addresses rattle in the intake spline. As bmwfnatic says if you want to address this then purchase the Beisan rattle kit instead and do both, rather than replacing just the exhaust one and not doing anything to the intake.

(As bmwfnatic has said this may not be needed at your milage anyway).

As others have noted you stand to spend a lot more money here than is necessary. Appreciate that you want to "do it all while you're there" preventatively, however do keep in mind that the Vanos system is finicky at the best of times and you risk introducing new problems and further expenses if you aren't careful. I would certainly make sure you read up about the issues Beisan had with their "new" discs (as opposed to predrilled discs). Throwing more money at this than less doesn't necessarily improve/fix anything in a more permanent way.

[YoungDinosaur]

Can save yourself about 1250$ by just getting a pump disk and all seals from Beisan, there's nothing to benefit from replacing a 62k mile VANOS.

I couldn't find anyone in Denver to rebuild the Vanos for cheap so that's why I'm going with the brand new Vanos and spending the extra money. If a shop did do a rebuild price was close to the cost of a full replacement. And almost every shop was replacement only.

Inspect yours first, if it is not broken or damaged, no need to replace, I have seen 200k mile ones that are still in one piece, saves 400$.

I agree this is overkill. Beisan kind of talked me into the fact that it couldn't hurt to bulletproof it.

Not sure why we are replacing this, generally don't see much wear on these, if you insist, FCPEuro has it cheaper.

Part of the "while we are in there" bullet proofing.

As I said in my first reply, these are just the original BMW parts, I am not certain these are improved at all over the original design, I personally use 12.9 versions like Lang sells.

I have ordered the Lang Racing bolts as suggested. I didn't really understand at first that there is a difference in the metal hardness. I'll return the DrVanos bolts.

I wouldn't use this, looks tacky, the updated original BMW piece is a fine replacement.

Agreed. I have the part in hand though and the OEM part is 3x the cost.

Another reason why I don't like Dr.Vanos, why just sell one of these, why not both.
For this money just buy the Beisan Rattle Kit and Tool, then you can do both intake and exhaust, but as others have said, might not even be needed at your milage.

This is part of the DrVanos anti-rattle kit which is completely different from Beisan. The polished gears seemed like they wouldn't really do anything and one other member mentioned that they also installed this part. I figured, why not?

[inlinesix123]

Beissan is fantastic, good luck!!

[sapote]

Here's my final order list:

Beisan	New Vanos	$1,500.00
Beisan	Exhaust Sprocket Hub	$300.00
Beisan	Exhaust Upper Chain Guide	$80.00
Beisan	New o-rings for oil flow regulator	$10.00
Dr Vanos	S54 Upper Chain Guide	$68.00
Dr Vanos	Cam Bolts	$40.00
Dr Vanos	Oil Line	$74.00
Dr Vanos	S54 Modified Exhaust Gear	$125.00
FCP Euro	Vanos Gasket	$10.00
FCP Euro	Valve Cover Gasket	$107.00
Labor		$1,000.00
		$3,314.00

Wow, but be warned that the brand new vanos might not as good as the old stock disk and 4 matching pumping pistons; a few stories of the newly made disk/pistons seized up and screwed the engine. More moneys spent and a bigger headache.

I would just redrill the disk with proper smaller holes and Loctite the cam sleeve bolts. Optional you might replace the vanos piston seals. Done.

Btw,

Dr Vanos

S54 Upper Chain Guide

Beisan

Exhaust Upper Chain Guide

They are the same so why buy two?


why do you need this one?

Dr Vanos

S54 Modified Exhaust Gear

[bmwfnatic]

New Vanos

Can save yourself about 1250$ by just getting a pump disk and all seals from Beisan, there's nothing to benefit from replacing a 62k mile VANOS.

Exhaust Sprocket Hub

Inspect yours first, if it is not broken or damaged, no need to replace, I have seen 200k mile ones that are still in one piece, saves 400$.

Exhaust Upper Chain Guide

A good "while-you-are-in-there", can't go wrong with that.

New o-rings for oil flow regulator

I actually don't see these on the Beisan website, but if you mean for the little part that sticks from the VANOS into the head, that's fine.

S54 Upper Chain Guide

Not sure why we are replacing this, generally don't see much wear on these, if you insist, FCPEuro has it cheaper.

Cam Bolts

As I said in my first reply, these are just the original BMW parts, I am not certain these are improved at all over the original design, I personally use 12.9 versions like Lang sells.

Oil Line

I wouldn't use this, looks tacky, the updated original BMW piece is a fine replacement.

S54 Modified Exhaust Gear

Another reason why I don't like Dr.Vanos, why just sell one of these, why not both.
For this money just buy the Beisan Rattle Kit and Tool, then you can do both intake and exhaust, but as others have said, might not even be needed at your milage.

[Slideways]

Take a look at the “S54 Vanos Info” thread, link in my Sig. DIY and save $1,000. 🤔

OP could save 2k in just parts, but insists on replacing everything.

[WOLFN8TR]

Take a look at the “S54 Vanos Info” thread, link in my Sig. DIY and save $1,000. 🤔

[YoungDinosaur]

Here's my final order list:

Beisan	New Vanos	$1,500.00
Beisan	Exhaust Sprocket Hub	$300.00
Beisan	Exhaust Upper Chain Guide	$80.00
Beisan	New o-rings for oil flow regulator	$10.00
Dr Vanos	S54 Upper Chain Guide	$68.00
Dr Vanos	Cam Bolts	$40.00
Dr Vanos	Oil Line	$74.00
Dr Vanos	S54 Modified Exhaust Gear	$125.00
FCP Euro	Vanos Gasket	$10.00
FCP Euro	Valve Cover Gasket	$107.00
Labor		$1,000.00
		$3,314.00

[Slideways]

Agreed. I did the whole thing at 40k miles or so and don’t necessarily regret it because it was only $400 at the time … but most of it wasn’t really necessary.

Re: S62 washers, it’s not going to ruin response time. Mine tested under 200ms afterwards.

First one, I did the S62 springs because of the whole "while you're in there". Second one, I just reused the perfectly good S54 springs.

[repoman89]

A huge chunk of change can be saved by going with the essentials and not throwing the whole catalog at it -

Redrilled VANOS Oil Pump Disc
Beisan Upper Chain Guide
Beisan VANOS O-ring kit
Beisan sealing plate O-ring kit
BMW updated torx bolts
Elring VANOS gasket

After doing one VANOS with the entire catalog of parts, you realize which parts are essential for the second go around. At 62k miles, I would not touch the rattle kit, VANOS line or even the solenoid pack (easily replaced at a later date if/when it fails). The main thing is that the pump disc is re-drilled and the chain guide is refreshed. If the VANOS passes the VANOS test with good numbers, I'd even skip the VANOS seal kit. A VANOS unit with 62k should have a lot of service life left in it.

Agreed. I did the whole thing at 40k miles or so and don’t necessarily regret it because it was only $400 at the time … but most of it wasn’t really necessary.

Re: S62 washers, it’s not going to ruin response time. Mine tested under 200ms afterwards.

[bagger]

I was pretty bored a month ago and decided to also plan out my vanos plan of attack when the car comes out of hibernation. Here was the shopping list (with torque specs!) that I came up with. Attached.

[Slideways]

A huge chunk of change can be saved by going with the essentials and not throwing the whole catalog at it -

Redrilled VANOS Oil Pump Disc
Beisan Upper Chain Guide
Beisan VANOS O-ring kit
Beisan sealing plate O-ring kit
BMW updated torx bolts
Elring VANOS gasket

After doing one VANOS with the entire catalog of parts, you realize which parts are essential for the second go around. At 62k miles, I would not touch the rattle kit, VANOS line or even the solenoid pack (easily replaced at a later date if/when it fails). The main thing is that the pump disc is re-drilled and the chain guide is refreshed. If the VANOS passes the VANOS test with good numbers, I'd even skip the VANOS seal kit. A VANOS unit with 62k should have a lot of service life left in it.

[YoungDinosaur]

Thanks for the additional info. E11even it looks like I'll pretty much follow your shopping list except for the S62 springs and the anti rattle kit. When I talked to Beisan on the phone, they said there was no need for the anti-rattle kit when buying the brand new Vanos.

And I appreciate bmwfnatic 's concern about if this is needed at all. I've gone back and forth on this but if I were ever to need to sell the car it seems like you get killed at auction for not addressing this issue. bmwfnatic is this the anti-rattle kit that you were suggesting? https://drvanos.com/collections/s54-...-reduction-kit . Does it really make that big of a difference?

[E11even]

I had never heard of replacing the the S62 washers and diaphragm. Apparently you guys think it makes a difference? Is this a part that is external to the Vanos or will the Vanos have to be opened up?

It’s part of cam gear / hub assembly.

I think it’s debated to use these or not. I’ve haven’t noticed any issues but I don’t track my car. I would say use OEM if there is any concern.

https://nam3forum.com/forums/forum/m...os-info-thread

[YoungDinosaur]

I had never heard of replacing the the S62 washers and diaphragm. Apparently you guys think it makes a difference? Is this a part that is external to the Vanos or will the Vanos have to be opened up?