Coilover Recommendation

[R60BBA]

KW Suspension Variant 2 are a great value for money road coilover.

However if money no option then go for Ohlins Road and Track.

[Tones]

Ohlins do not do “wavy” roads? Aren’t those came from rally?

By wavy I mean roads that are not laid flat. As in its a straight line and the car just starts rocking back and forth till you get past that bad stretch.

But in flowy mtn roads they are so good. There is only one or two roads near me that I dislike the shocks on and I turned them softer when I know I'll be going that route and it helps.

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[rbg]

I'm on ohlins r&t. They are better than stock on 90% of the roads. Roads that are wavy tend to suck though.



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Ohlins do not do “wavy” roads? Aren’t those came from rally?

[02_lsb]

I’ll chime in...

I had Stock, then I got ST (which is probably an acronym for ShiT) and then I switched to TCK DA’s after reading @Obioban’s old reviews on the old m3 forum page and getting the same exact advice from the shop that wrenched all the big jobs on my car.

If you’re looking for budget coilovers... don’t waste your money. Leave it stock.

[r4dr]

I've got the TCKline SAs and they're currently set up a little stiff for the street, but that their first track day they felt really great. Super planted, easily more than capable of anything my meager driving skills can throw at it. I'm debating setting them a little softer/higher to make the car more streetable but it's not really my daily driver so it being a little harsh isn't the worst thing. But my girlfriend is not a fan.

You can definitely crank up the dampers for the track and leave them soft for everything else. That’s the whole beauty of adjustable damping! Plus then you can tell your GF you spent extra $$ on adjustable dampers because you were thinking of her.

[spnsprt]

I've got the TCKline SAs and they're currently set up a little stiff for the street, but that their first track day they felt really great. Super planted, easily more than capable of anything my meager driving skills can throw at it. I'm debating setting them a little softer/higher to make the car more streetable but it's not really my daily driver so it being a little harsh isn't the worst thing. But my girlfriend is not a fan.

[Phoenix///M3]

General consensus on Koni yellow / Dinan vs. Koni yellow / Eibach? I currently run the latter with GC street plates.

[erickhoyos]

Currently running BCs. I like them for what they’re worth, good for daily driving. Good handling paired with 18x10.5 ARC-8s on twisty roads. Just my two cents.

[Tones]

I'm on ohlins r&t. They are better than stock on 90% of the roads. Roads that are wavy tend to suck though.



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This was/is a lively thread. Cheers guys.

[old///MFanatic]

If anyone was planning on buying Bilsteins, ECS Tuning has then on sale today until midnight. It’s a call in/phone in sale not listed on site. I have no idea if pricing is good but just putting it out there from the email they sent.

[Obioban]

You totally missed the point of my post.

The point was that none of us are using our cars at 9/10 on the road and if we are, we don't need a license as we would be putting others in danger. I understand everyone wants "the best" but sometimes the things people post on forums just gets silly. What I don't like is when "the best" equals "whatever I happen to have" which seems quite common in the M3 world.

My skin is plenty thick, but suggesting my car is somehow lesser because it doesn't meet your 'standards' is a bit lame.

Did I miss your point? I specifically mention in the post you quoted the non limit benefits coilovers can have (as well as avoiding mentioning things like ability to deal with heat) and don't think I've once mentioned in this thread the setup I'm running on the M3 coupe. In fact, I agreed with JVITs post that said the TCKs are the best overall setup, and I'm not running them on any car.

Some parts are objectively better than others. Some installs are better than others. Some cars are tuned better than other. Some cars are cared for better than others. Some sum of those aspects means some cars are better than others.

[Steve]

You're going to need to grow a thicker skin. If facts about setups hurts your feelings, the problem isn't with the facts.

Accurately describing the qualities of various setups is necessary for people to make informed purchasing decisions going forward. Certainly people are free to use whatever setup they desire-- but they should go into that decision with knowledge of what they're choosing.

Not at all targeted at you, but I think most people actually make their cars handle worse when they swap out suspension-- lower them out of design range of the suspension geometry, create weird front/rear ride height staggers, don't have enough bump travel for the suspension to actually function, huge amounts of preload, crazy corner weights, sway bars chosen by who knows what thought process, etc. I believe most people think that stiffer and less body roll = better handling, so low and stiff means the car is upgraded. It's hard to put much stock in lots of suspension "reviews" you read online, when looking at the setup you objectively know it's worse than stock, much less a properly done aftermarket setup.

I'd also point out that how "capable" a suspension is is just one factor of what makes it good/bad, for anything but dedicated race cars (not anyone here). Predictability, ride comfort, limit control, reliability, load capacity, tire clearance, adjustability etc are all significant, as well.

Also running stock M3 brakes on the M3 wagon

You totally missed the point of my post.

The point was that none of us are using our cars at 9/10 on the road and if we are, we don't need a license as we would be putting others in danger. I understand everyone wants "the best" but sometimes the things people post on forums just gets silly. What I don't like is when "the best" equals "whatever I happen to have" which seems quite common in the M3 world.

My skin is plenty thick, but suggesting my car is somehow lesser because it doesn't meet your 'standards' is a bit lame.

[Obioban]

Nothing new there.

Truth of the matter is that I just had a blast on some backroads with my BC coils and Michelin AS3s. A setup that would be shunned on here because it’s not ready to do time trials at the track. Heck, my car is even on stock brakes, the horror! In reality though, I didn’t even go 5/10ths of what my setup is capable of and still had a blast. If I had spent $3000 more I would have ended up going 4/10ths of what it is capable of and gained absolutely nothing as I would have driven in the exact same manner. So whose wrong here? Answer is no one because everyone should use and mod their car as they please. But should people needlessly trash other people’s mods because they chose to go a different route? In my opinion, no as it’s a bit tasteless.

You're going to need to grow a thicker skin. If facts about setups hurts your feelings, the problem isn't with the facts.

Accurately describing the qualities of various setups is necessary for people to make informed purchasing decisions going forward. Certainly people are free to use whatever setup they desire-- but they should go into that decision with knowledge of what they're choosing.

Not at all targeted at you, but I think most people actually make their cars handle worse when they swap out suspension-- lower them out of design range of the suspension geometry, create weird front/rear ride height staggers, don't have enough bump travel for the suspension to actually function, huge amounts of preload, crazy corner weights, sway bars chosen by who knows what thought process, etc. I believe most people think that stiffer and less body roll = better handling, so low and stiff means the car is upgraded. It's hard to put much stock in lots of suspension "reviews" you read online, when looking at the setup you objectively know it's worse than stock, much less a properly done aftermarket setup.

I'd also point out that how "capable" a suspension is is just one factor of what makes it good/bad, for anything but dedicated race cars (not anyone here). Predictability, ride comfort, limit control, reliability, load capacity, tire clearance, adjustability etc are all significant, as well.

Also running stock M3 brakes on the M3 wagon

[r4dr]

I'm not sure why you're being so defensive when the point being made is that it's not how much you spend it, it's how you spend it... if you love your setup and have fun with it, it sounds like you're all set. Just like how I'm not going on the PGA tour anytime soon -- I'll be having fun golfing whether I have a set of hand me down steel clubs or state-of-the-art carbon fiber clubs.