Electrification of the M3

[Icecream]

... And then you can be pretty guilt free in your hooning :P

If you want to kid yourself haha. People pollute, you can dress it up however you want but so long as we keep adding billions of people to the planet, things will continue to worsen barring some incredible discoveries, restructuring of society (so we don’t commute, eat cold food, less meat, no ac, and stop buying new phones every year, treating our wardrobes as disposable etc, the list goes on). and ultimately reducing on a huge level the waste we produce by our endless desire for the best new piece of “tech” Or whatever so we can all sit around in our new disposable clothes in our air conditioned living rooms and watch tick Tock videos.. A couple solar panels just isn’t going to cut it on a global level. But if someone wants to ignore all that, then ok, pat yourself on the back, smile like an idiot and pretend the world isn’t going to rot because of you.
Not directed at you btw, I just letting out some steam lol.

[newton22]

I'd only consider this on some ragged out convertible that needs salvaging. Otherwise no. Want an electric car, buy an electric car.

[franklin]

Interesting feedback. Now imagine an electric M3 with a with manual transmission?

https://www.motor1.com/news/380563/ford-mustang-lithium-manual-sema/

[Obioban]

Not exactly. Top 3 sources of electrical power in the US: natural gas (38%), coal (23%), nuclear (20%). So pollution (or nuclear waste products) is still being generated, just at a different time point.
Even hydroelectric power can have a significant environmental impact in regards to flooding, wildlife, and water quality, which is why a new hydroelectric dam project in the US is highly unlikely.

Solar is increasingly a no brainer, for much of this country at least. The payback period at this point is 3-7 years, depending on your location. Since most panels have a 25-30 year warranty, you're pretty much throwing away money to not have solar these days. You can pay for it out of pocket, and break even in 3-7 years and then have free power for a guarenteed 18-27 years (plus however long the panels continue to be good out of warranty), or finance them for less then the cost of your electric bill and then go on to have free power once they're payed off.

... And then you can be pretty guilt free in your hooning :P

[elbert]

Think about it, you can hoon guilt free in terms of your wallet(and the environment!) since you're not just guzzling gas. I live in the Bay Area and gas is not cheap here.

Not exactly. Top 3 sources of electrical power in the US: natural gas (38%), coal (23%), nuclear (20%). So pollution (or nuclear waste products) is still being generated, just at a different time point.
Even hydroelectric power can have a significant environmental impact in regards to flooding, wildlife, and water quality, which is why a new hydroelectric dam project in the US is highly unlikely.

[Altaran]

The infrastructure is going to require a HUGE amount of government incentives over an extended period of time. Companies have no incentive to create hydrogen filling stations when there's no customers to use them, and customers aren't going to buy hydrogen cars when hydrogen stations aren't commonly available. EVs had a much easier time with this because most charging is done at home-- people only really need to worry about public charging when going on on distance drives, which pretty much means along highways. I'm 40,000 miles into i3 ownership, and have used a public charger on one trip-- and only really because I wanted to try it.

For hydrogen powered ICEVs, people aren't going to be satisfied with filling stations on the highway-- they're going to want them to be as common as gas stations are now, or they'd be annoying.

That's also ignoring that EVs are a better experience for what normal people want from a car. 10% of the maintenance of an ICEV, silent operation, no need to warm it up, no need to get gas, etc, etc-- it's far more aligned with what non car people actually want their cars to be. People aren't using them yet, because they have illogical (most people) range thoughts, but once they get over that (actually experience one)... I don't think most people will want to move off an EV for DD use once they've experienced it.

I don't think hydrogen is likely to take off at this point.

Government is going to start investing here in Europe in more infrastructure.

But I agree with you, normal people are not likely to go for hydrogen ice. For that reason nobody is focusing on it for car application. There's developments ongoing for commercial usage, but different story.

The potential in hydrogen for personal cars lies in fuel cells. Its an EV at that point, just replace the batteries with a fuel cell and hydrogen tanks. Gets the nvh advantages, but has longer range.
If that comes, it leaves a niche for ice car guys to keep their old cars running with hydrogen ice.

As an alternative Porsche just announced they will start funding e-fuels development. (synthetically generated liquids that can be run on any conventional ice). That may be the best hope to be able to use our cars in the future...

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[Icecream]

The infrastructure is going to require a HUGE amount of government incentives over an extended period of time. Companies have no incentive to create hydrogen filling stations when there's no customers to use them, and customers aren't going to buy hydrogen cars when hydrogen stations aren't commonly available. EVs had a much easier time with this because most charging is done at home-- people only really need to worry about public charging when going on on distance drives, which pretty much means along highways. I'm 40,000 miles into i3 ownership, and have used a public charger on one trip-- and only really because I wanted to try it.

For hydrogen powered ICEVs, people aren't going to be satisfied with filling stations on the highway-- they're going to want them to be as common as gas stations are now, or they'd be annoying.

That's also ignoring that EVs are a better experience for what normal people want from a car. 10% of the maintenance of an ICEV, silent operation, no need to warm it up, no need to get gas, etc, etc-- it's far more aligned with what non car people actually want their cars to be. People aren't using them yet, because they have illogical (most people) range thoughts, but once they get over that (actually experience one)... I don't think most people will want to move off an EV for DD use once they've experienced it.

I don't think hydrogen is likely to take off at this point.

Aside from all that, while hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, it isn’t just ready for us to harvest on earth. It has its own limitations there that probably won’t make it viable. For our purposes though, hydrgen conversion is viable on the small scale of enthusiasts. Might be hard to daily it but by the time gasoline is truly scarce, I doubt I will still be dallying the M3.

[Obioban]

It's getting more attention here in Europe. It has taken two decades for politicians to realize that slamming a car full with li-ion batteries is anything but environmentally friendly...
The development is more on fuel cells but it the infrastructure is there it will work on an hydrogen ice as well.

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The infrastructure is going to require a HUGE amount of government incentives over an extended period of time. Companies have no incentive to create hydrogen filling stations when there's no customers to use them, and customers aren't going to buy hydrogen cars when hydrogen stations aren't commonly available. EVs had a much easier time with this because most charging is done at home-- people only really need to worry about public charging when going on on distance drives, which pretty much means along highways. I'm 40,000 miles into i3 ownership, and have used a public charger on one trip-- and only really because I wanted to try it.

For hydrogen powered ICEVs, people aren't going to be satisfied with filling stations on the highway-- they're going to want them to be as common as gas stations are now, or they'd be annoying.

That's also ignoring that EVs are a better experience for what normal people want from a car. 10% of the maintenance of an ICEV, silent operation, no need to warm it up, no need to get gas, etc, etc-- it's far more aligned with what non car people actually want their cars to be. People aren't using them yet, because they have illogical (most people) range thoughts, but once they get over that (actually experience one)... I don't think most people will want to move off an EV for DD use once they've experienced it.

I don't think hydrogen is likely to take off at this point.

[Altaran]

I think that’s more if than when.

It's getting more attention here in Europe. It has taken two decades for politicians to realize that slamming a car full with li-ion batteries is anything but environmentally friendly...
The development is more on fuel cells but it the infrastructure is there it will work on an hydrogen ice as well.

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[Obioban]

No desire at all for this. Stopping for 20 minutes every 100 miles, no thanks. I guess I would effectively limit the wear from trackdays because I would barely drive with all the charging time.

The only thing I could imagine is changing is for hydrogen combustion when the refueling infrastructure gets there but thats still a long way...

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I think that’s more if than when.

[Altaran]

No desire at all for this. Stopping for 20 minutes every 100 miles, no thanks. I guess I would effectively limit the wear from trackdays because I would barely drive with all the charging time.

The only thing I could imagine is changing is for hydrogen combustion when the refueling infrastructure gets there but thats still a long way...

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[Tbonem3]

Hooning in silence, cool

[EthanolTurbo]

I think converting it to run on straight alcohol when gas is no longer available might be a possibility?

You can already do that. E100, E85 et al has been a thing for a while. Way better than pump gas.

[spnsprt]

Maybe not converting our cars, but while watching a review of the Taycan Turbo (which seems seriously sweet), the idea of an electric sports car started to get really appealing. Think about it, you can hoon guilt free in terms of your wallet (and the environment!) since you're not just guzzling gas. I live in the Bay Area and gas is not cheap here. Plus, more hooning.

[Rkymtnrider]

I think converting it to run on straight alcohol when gas is no longer available might be a possibility?