Anyone excited about the new csl?

[Slideways]

I don't usually add to things that have already been said, but good god it's ugly.

If you read the Youtube comment section, there are quite a few people who like how it looks, surprisingly.

[blazenXLT]

I don't usually add to things that have already been said, but good god it's ugly.

[Estoril]

I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these threads. One can hope!

I think BMW has already weighed-in on the design direction controversy. Lets refer to BMW's own words: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...edia-jibe.html

[Tbonem3]

Forget the grillz, the hoffkink/quarter panel area is a crime against humanity.

[eacmen]

I wonder if anyone from BMW reads these threads. One can hope!

[Slideways]

Way too much going on there. IMO, the M2 CS in black with gold wheels is a much nicer car to look at and is a better "modern spiritual successor" to the M3 CSL. And it can be had as a manual.

[oceansize]

I don't think it is as terrible as everyone else seems to. Now I'm not running out to buy it but I could see myself in a standard 2022/2023 M3 at some point just for pointless donuts, burnouts, and hey ma' look how fast I can go moments but I've bought my brother's 2021 Mach 1 so I'm not sure I need another ripper but who knows.

[Nate047]

3.0 CSL tribute car = cool as a concept, and like a trophy car for rich people I guess.

M4 CSL = Garish display of design vulgarity. So much so that I don't even care how fast or good to drive it is.

[Altaran]

130.

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996)

Walter Rohrl

7:43.00

381 / 1360

162.

BMW M3 CSL (E46)

Horst von Saurma

7:50.00

360 / 1409

200.

Porsche 911 GT3 (996)

Walter Rohrl

7:56.33

360 / 1379

In period the CSL was a monster, 2sec slower than a GT2 996. Beat both the 996 and 996.2 GT3s, and only bested by the 996.2 GT3RS. Like mentioned above, it was/is the only time BMW beat the GT3, at no point after was it even close.

Having said all that, im not mad at the new CSL, i was mad at the new car when it came out. I wanted the CSL to lose at least 100kg and they did. Although with lighter glass, engine bay components, and full exhaust work I think another 25kg would have been low hanging fruit. Im happy its the fastest BMW like the CSL was. However theres not much to it after that... I love the seats.

Just remember the 996 GT3 only came with street tires, the CSL came with Pilot Sport Cup. Hence also the big time difference to the 996 RS, this one also came with semis.

As much as I like my S54, there's a reason BMW introduced the P60 to the GTR.

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[Epoustouflant]

The G series M3 nailed the coffin to any interest I had in current generation products. The F8X was an engineering marvel and they pushed the enveloped to the max of what was allowed in that time period.

The M5 CS really is only attractive because BMW didn't dare release the V10 CSL (or whatever they would have called it). We'd otherwise all be looking at it like we are at the CSL today.

[ra2fanatic]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...4-csl-revealed

3640 lbs... More like CSXL

That engine bay brace looks pretty hardcore though. $10 says those bolts up front are torque to yield and will need to be replaced every time you want to any work in the engine bay lol.

3640 is actually impressive considering it's about 100 over my M2 CS. I've driven the G80 at the Performance Center and it's a helluva car. But....it's ugly.

[CrisSilberGrau]

Eh, the one car I still like in their lineup is the M2/Comp/CS.

F87 is gone is discontinued. I like the new M5CS, but its unobtanium price and I would not trade for my car.

Toby22 7:20.xx on the ring published by BMW M

However there's also this:

34.

BMW M4 CSL

Jörg Weidinger

7:15.67

551 / 1625

It's definitely not slow.

[Toby22]

Ive never really compared bmw’s with Porsches, in terms of purist drivers car. I don’t think they even have the same target market. Of course a gt4 or gt3 would be more of an involving experience.

And as ugly as that csl proto looks, I’m curious to see what it’s capable of

[CrisSilberGrau]

You cannot even compare this to a Gt4. That is the perfect example of how BMW diverged.

The E46 CSL and 996 gt3 were comparable in weight. This new CSL has closer to a thousand pounds than not on the Gt4, and five-hundred on the Gt3. The M2 is not much better.

Not surprisingly, the E46 was within a few seconds of the 996 on the ring, flawed metric as that is. The new CSL would not see which way any Porsche GT went. The 991 was significantly faster five years ago.

130.

Porsche 911 GT3 RS (996)

Walter Rohrl

7:43.00

381 / 1360

162.

BMW M3 CSL (E46)

Horst von Saurma

7:50.00

360 / 1409

200.

Porsche 911 GT3 (996)

Walter Rohrl

7:56.33

360 / 1379

In period the CSL was a monster, 2sec slower than a GT2 996. Beat both the 996 and 996.2 GT3s, and only bested by the 996.2 GT3RS. Like mentioned above, it was/is the only time BMW beat the GT3, at no point after was it even close.

Having said all that, im not mad at the new CSL, i was mad at the new car when it came out. I wanted the CSL to lose at least 100kg and they did. Although with lighter glass, engine bay components, and full exhaust work I think another 25kg would have been low hanging fruit. Im happy its the fastest BMW like the CSL was. However theres not much to it after that... I love the seats.

[Slideways]

Eh, the one car I still like in their lineup is the M2/Comp/CS.