BMW 1m

[Rutkowski]

CSL's are old news, move over grumpy grandads :clown:

:hahaha: :thumbs:

[Streetwise Hercules]

Haha, I wind you up in no-time :thumbs:

Look, seriously now.
Everytime there is a new M model, the comparison threads start against the best M model up to now (aka M3 CSL).
Everybody is excited with the new model and it's so much better, bla-bla-bla.
The press is used for ///Marketing in case you didn't notice.

When both cars are on the track the inevitable happens.
The new model is no faster on track than the CSL.
These are the facts my friend, everything else is just speculation.
Let's wait untill some guys track the 1M and then we can compare.

Last but not least, if I wanted to get an 1M or M3 GTS, I would get one or both.
But personally I love the CSL and this is what I want to drive.
Now, if BMW Motorsport for 8 years cannot produce a car that is faster than the CSL on track is another thing.

Wow, smug post. You keep patting yourself on the back and telling us how much money you've got...

Some magazines may give slightly biased reviews but imo the vast majority don't. Of all the writers out there I value the opinions of the evo guys most. Chris Harris has been quite outspoken on his opinion of biased reviews.
People who attempt to sound clever by banging on a tired old drum, claiming that it's all marketing are usually more naive than the person they are attempting to belittle.

In evo's hands, he 1M has lapped the west circuit faster than than the CSL.

'Those are the facts, my friend'

I'm genuinely interested by the new model. I don't find it as desirable as the CSL but some people will and do. I'm looking forward to hearing from people who've actually driven one, particularly the guys on here.

[AlexGTT]

Chaps, lets keep this one friendly. No need for all this.:smokin:

Streetwise, I'm trying one when I get back off hols in 2 weeks. Can't wait. Think I may really like.:thumbs:

Either way, my CSL isn't going anywhere. The V8 M3 on the other hand?:whistle: Who knows?

[Streetwise Hercules]

Fair enough Alex. I probably shouldn't have bitten.

Make sure you post up your (unbiased) opinions.





I'll stop now.

[AlexGTT]

I absolutely will. Something tells me I'm gonna like.:thumbs:

[ando]

Is it just me that thinks it's fucking ugly

Not my cup of tea at all, regardless how fast it is.

Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.

Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........

Ando

[mattCSLnut]

Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.

:smt055 :thumbs:

Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........
Ando

:supz: :thumbs:

[azrael]

Just what I was thinking, won't be rushing out to try one, think the E46 is the best looking shape BMW have done.

Was always going to happen with the one series, there about the same size as a e46.

I think turbo cars are fun, easy to tune, but don't make the noise, it's all about the noise........

Ando

Starting to look dated now, but now and then I catch it at the right angle and it looks brill. Still not sold on the E92 though

[LeinsCSL]

To be honest I stopped my subcription to evo a few years ago because I was bored of evo as It seemed to loose its original direction

With Meaden back writing for them and Harris joining I think it's the best mag out there by a long way

[Rutkowski]

I still think Evo is the best car magazine out there... :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

Starting to look dated now, but now and then I catch it at the right angle and it looks brill. Still not sold on the E92 though

I look at the CSL and think it looks stunning still, then sometimes think it will never look dated.
But now I own the E92, I see lines that you dont notice straight away, its very similar in a way to the e46, then throws a modern twist in too.

Then when the e46 is next to the e92 I think the e46 does show a little age, still beautiful regardless.

This pic sort of got me hooked, and you can see the similarities between the 2.

The M1 is still fugly though. :smokin:

[magnust]

I've driven the press car here in Sweden on two occasions. It's a real cracker that one! I haven't read any reviews of it at all yet though.

We had a whole day on an airfield track where we had these four to compare:

- 1 M coupé
- V8 PDK coupé
- CSL (mine)
- 2002 Turbo!

See where the idea for the article is going ;-)

Anyhoo, we had ample time in each car and I must say the 1 M is really really impressing! It pulls like crazy. Getting back in the CSL I got worried something was wrong with it before I after a lap or two re-accustomed myself to it :-D The 1 M is also a blast when turning the wheel, the short wheelbase is very present in the way it reacts and handles. Sometimes it's even a handful in the wet with all gizmos turned off.

You do always shift up 1000 rpm below the redline though, in stock trim there's no use going further up. This is IMHO a very small "blemish" which anyway probably can be fixed with aftermarket stuff. My main complaint is that it only comes with a manual gearbox. If it had less power I wouldn't mind this at all but with it's crazy pull I really really really missed PDK or SMG.

The CSL is with no question whatsoever the more focused track car. It's more communicative, absolutely more fun when driving hard on a track. But the 1 M is a truly great car, I'm 100% convinced it will sell in spades. It will be a fantastic treat at the Ring. And it can be tweaked to get even better. Now if they do a lightweight with PDK I'll have some trouble sticking with my beloved CSL... So I hope they don't :hahaha:




PS: Don't tell any Swedes about what I just wrote above, the article is probably a secret. Ooops, if you're a swede forget what you just read! :-D

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Seems the old CSL is ok yet for a while,
well on Track anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23696

I just keep thinking that a E92 on the correct
diet with some proper brakes and sorted
suspension and bars, a nice free flowing
exhaust would be right on the money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

Seems the old CSL is ok yet for a while,
well on Track anyway.

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=23696

I just keep thinking that a E92 on the correct
diet with some proper brakes and sorted
suspension and bars, a nice free flowing
exhaust would be right on the money.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Well spotted Sir :thumbs:

[Rutkowski]

B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.