BMW 1m

[mattCSLnut]

B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.

You can :blalalala: if you own an M3 CSL :thumbs: It manages both very well :whistle: somehow :hahaha:

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

Rutkowski- Quote-

''B road handling ability and track performance mean two very different set ups.

You cannot have it both ways, it is always a compromise.''


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

[Rutkowski]

Hi,


Its as MattCSLnut has already stated.

The standard CSL suspension was
so very good for a near on 1500 kg car.

It can and does both very well.

Part of the ingredients that makes the car
what it is.

The M1 and V8 M3 just do not cut it
both ways out the box.

CSL does, standard brakes aside.


Regards,

The Gorilla.

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)



The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMSwig27UQ

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

[shimmy]

2 seconds is a lifetime Kris, 2/10s would have been close.

Otherwise I agree with you

[The Gorilla]

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

[mattCSLnut]

I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO... CSL is a compromised car as well.

One video i can't get my head round is this; (since we're talking CSLs)
The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

... it's what the L in CSL is all about mate :hahaha: + Mich. CUPs are part of the CSL magic :smt055

VS

The heaviest possible standard M3 with smg, sunroof, harman kardon 1570kg

on road tyres

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoMSwig27UQ

2 seconds difference only sounds like nothing to me in this case... but i realise that braking and consumables will be much improved with the CSL.

Also, i do realise that on 10 laps, the difference would be quite noticable...

With all due respect Kris... 2 seconds per lap on Anglesey's National 1.2 miles short circuit is a lifetime mate :hahaha: difference between winning and loosing :smokin: After 30 laps (if not sooner) the regular M3 is going to get lapped by the CSL :smokin:
Further more ( feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) the Ring is effectively a German equivalent of a UK 'B' road, albeit one way and slightly smoother surface and the OEM CSL suspension works rather well around the Green Hell :thumbs: ... even one that's been well & truly used :whistle:

[mattCSLnut]

Hi,

RutKowski- Quote-

''I don't agree on CSL being great on B roads... crushy over potholes and too stiff IMHO.


That's why we all have differing opinions.

I very much like the std CSL set up for normal
road use.

I prefer a 'planted' car at the expense of
few a rattles and tracks jumped on the
CD.

Anything softer gets very washy on 'B' Roads
for me.

Regards,

The Gorilla.

Sorry Kris ... but I'm in agreement with the Primate :thumbs:

[shane@mbtech]

How much of the 2 secs was down to cups?

[glendog74]

Who cares - i like the CSL - fastest car in the world or not...

[alexk]

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL :smt055

[Yanto_csl]

I don't know why Rutkowski is trying to convince everybody here that the CSL is not good.
It's almost like going to Mekkah to read the bible to the public.

I am like glendog, I adore the CSL :smt055

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com

:thumbs:

[alexk]

The lightest possible version of CSL - no aircon, no xenon, no options 1385kg

on Cups tyres

Maybe you are not reading other threads.
My CSL for example with full tank, SS backbox (race lightweight), AP racing and aircon/radiocd/xenon/rainsensor is 1420kg.

[Rutkowski]

Fair enough, Gents - you win.

What i meant is that if they were to put standard M3 on Cups and test the lightest, stock M3 - there would be 0.5 seconds difference, no more IMHO.

That's a short track though - on longer, it'd be a different story not to mention that a heavier M3 would overheat tyres and brakes sooner.

[alexk]

you haven't seen his new site...

http://www.1mregister.com

:thumbs:

Hahaha, we could register and start explaining everybody that the 1M is a 135i with LSD and worse single-piston brakes (aka Fuchsroehre spec TM).

[Rutkowski]

By the way - i have been taking apart my M3 and weighing stuff... i can't believe how heavy interior alone is... sound insulation + carpets alone is 25kg +
Dashboard 9.9kg, fully electric seats 28.6 kg each etc...