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    A lesson for U.S. members buying parts from Canada

    I recently purchased a part from a Canadian forum member and learned a lesson about exchange rates, import costs, and negotiating the actual delivered price.

    First, the seller did nothing wrong. I decided the part was worth US$200, offered US$200, and he accepted. I own the result.

    The first sting came when PayPal showed what my payment meant on his side of the border: US$200 became C$271.53. That was when I realized I had given away the purchasing-power advantage of the U.S. dollar. I had decided what the part was worth in my economy and then handed the seller that entire amount in U.S. currency without first considering its substantially greater value in Canadian dollars.

    The second sting came when FedEx billed me another US$66.32 in duties, taxes, and import-related fees.

    My US$200 part had now cost me US$266.32 delivered.

    Before anyone responds that these were U.S. import charges: yes, I understand that. I was the importer, and the charges resulted from bringing the part into the United States. That is not the point. Shipping, exchange rates, duties, taxes, and carrier fees are all costs required to complete an international transaction. Regardless of which government imposes a charge or which party receives the invoice, its economic impact can—and should—be considered when negotiating the deal.

    Had I handled this correctly, I would have worked backward from the US$200 delivered value I had placed on the part. I would then have estimated the import charge and negotiated with the seller over how much of that cost each of us was willing to absorb.

    For example, we might have agreed to split the anticipated US$66.32 charge. The seller would have been entirely free to decline. At that point, we would simply have learned that there was no price at which the transaction made sense for both of us.

    My advice to other U.S. buyers is straightforward:

    Do not decide that a Canadian part is worth US$200 and automatically offer US$200. Do not simply give away the value of the U.S. dollar.

    Negotiate in Canadian dollars. Decide what the item is worth delivered to your door. Estimate the shipping and import costs. Then determine whether those costs will be paid by you, paid by the seller, or reflected through an agreed reduction in the purchase price. Also, confirm who FedEx will bill before the package ships. “Shipping included” does not necessarily mean duties, taxes, brokerage, and import fees are included.

    Again, this is not criticism of the seller. He accepted the offer I made. My mistake was negotiating the sale price first and discovering the economics of the international transaction afterward.

    #2
    Wow. This is the most arrogant post I've ever read on a car forum. I am Canadian, and have sold parts to US buyers easily 100+ times through forums, eBay, Facebook groups, etc.

    USD is the global gold standard currency. Most parts are listed in USD, and it is the easiest way to appropriately price comparable items. Plus, it makes it easy for ignorant clowns like you to understand what they're paying. I'll even often price in shipping and PayPal fees just to make it as simple as possible.

    This whole post screams American entitlement. Those of us who live in Canada are very used to paying exchange, exchange fees, shipping, duties, taxes and UPS/FedEx's "brokerage" fees that tend to equate to highway robbery as a prerequisite to buying many parts on this side of the pond.

    When you buy parts internationally from reputable companies (see: ECS tuning, FCP, Schmiedman in Denmark, etc etc). Those companies do not offer to split import fees with the buyer. The buyer is solely responsible, 100% of the time. For you to suggest otherwise for a private sale is unreasonable.

    By all means - do your research and decide what you want to pay for a part, all in, before you buy it - I'll agree with you there 100%. Your neighbors to the north do this every time we need to buy from the US, which can be far more often than not. But for you to suggest that the "purchasing power" of the US Dollar should be "leveraged" is arrogant garbage. Pay what the part is worth to you in the currency you have. Full stop. No need to beat down on someone else because the currency you're paid in happens to be worth more than someone else's - something that individuals have very little control over. In all likelihood the funds you pay to a private seller will be put back into other parts to improve and further enjoy their car.

    Before I get crucified for bashing an entire country worth of car enthusiasts, I'll note that I have plenty of American friends made through this wonderful hobby, and made purchases from many more, and I've always appreciated and reciprocated the respect and enthusiasm shown. So very often in the car community folks go out of their way to support each other, exchange parts fairly, and pursue a common goal of enjoying these awesome vehicles no matter where they live. But this sort of attitude is disappointing and I feel it needs to be called out.

    What a joke.

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      #3
      ^ While the OP's advice is obvious and should go without saying, I think you are being quite dramatic. Let's just say that at least some of the times, 2nd hand parts priced in USD and offered to the US market are priced specifically for the US market. Whereas, they would actually be cheaper if sold domestically in the sellers home country. That's worth considering, and isn't American entitlement. And its also, by the sounds of it, the actual point of the OP's post.

      In the last 2 months I bought euro headers and 60k mile euro cats directly from eBay.co.uk, and used a mail forwarding service to send them to the US. For both combined I spent a grand less vs buying them when advertised directly to US buyers. I don't think there is anything wrong with non-US sellers pricing things how they want. Likewise, US buyers taking into account exchange rates, shipping, import fees, and the sellers local market isn't "American entitlement." Come on now.
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        #4
        Originally posted by Bimma360 View Post

        In the last 2 months I bought euro headers and 60k mile euro cats directly from eBay.co.uk, and used a mail forwarding service to send them to the US.
        You Bastard! You stole them from right under me nose LOL

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          #5
          Originally posted by 0-60motorsports View Post

          You Bastard! You stole them from right under me nose LOL
          Haha, do you mean the specific items? Were you watching them on eBay? haha
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            #6
            Originally posted by Bimma360 View Post

            Haha, do you mean the specific items? Were you watching them on eBay? haha
            Yeah LOL> When i went to purchase the euro cats they had just sold. I need to get rid of the smell.......

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              #7
              Originally posted by 0-60motorsports View Post

              Yeah LOL> When i went to purchase the euro cats they had just sold. I need to get rid of the smell.......
              Sorry dude! Others will pop up!
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                #8
                Originally posted by Bimma360 View Post

                Sorry dude! Others will pop up!
                NO worries bro im happy a forum member got them. Yeah im on the lookout as i'll have to go the forwarder route as well due to the war in the region.

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                  #9
                  [QUOTE=Bimma360;n361075


                  In the last 2 months I bought euro headers and 60k mile euro cats directly from eBay.co.uk, and used a mail forwarding service to send them to the US. For both combined I spent a grand less vs buying them when advertised directly to US buyers. I don't think there is anything wrong with non-US sellers pricing things how they want. Likewise, US buyers taking into account exchange rates, shipping, import fees, and the sellers local market isn't "American entitlement." Come on now. [/QUOTE]

                  Whom did you use as forwarder?
                  thanks

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Derek //M View Post

                    Whom did you use as forwarder?
                    thanks
                    Shop in the US, Germany, UK, or Japan then ship worldwide with one of the top-rated international parcel forwarding service providers. Best Prices for International Shipping with DHL, FedEx, DPD & UPS.


                    Used them twice, and so far have had a good experience. For reference, shipping on the headers (including a 50£​ repacking fee) ran me about 157£​.
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                      #11
                      op trying to figure out how much 17 margaritas and a tijuana handjob costs in USD

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                        #12
                        I've used forward2me many many times, they are solid.





                        This thread is so dumb I don't even know where to start lmfao.

                        The OP reminds me of this....




                        "wHy doNt We pAy iN CaNaDian dOlLars?"

                        lol it's the same thing bro. $200 usd is $271 Canadian, there's no "USD purchasing power"

                        Also, thank you for letting us know how import fees work in 2026.



                        As for Str8 ... thank you for judging an entire country on the post of 1 person, and pointing out our "American entitlement". I still don't know why we let you guys even be a country.

                        You're welcome.
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