Anglesey today

[deleted_user_0_csl]

What Geo settings would you recommend for fast road/trackdays Steve...

Erm....feck, I knew someone would ask me this LOL

I can't 100% remember, but I'm getting the car aligned next week (after the rear axle was removed) so I'll check with the garage and let you know. As my car is pretty much 100% track I think my settings would be too extreme for normal road use, will wear out the tyres too fast. I would suspect 1 to 1.5 degrees negative on the front, and can't remember on the back :hahaha:

One thing I can recommend avoiding for the road -at the beginning of 2007 I had (on advice) some toe out set on the front, the car was excellent on turn in and I really liked it, what I didn't realise was the wear on the inside of the tyres - driving round the ring, 3rd last corner, the car suddenly went sqweeeelbbb (technical term) and when I got back to the car park I could hear a hissing noise, the inside edge was balder than Glendog74's teen bride (didn't know you were married Glendog!). Perhaps having driven for 3 hours on german autobahns the day before had something to do with it... :whistle:

[SpineOnABap]

Steve, I wouldn't ever run toe out on the front for road-use, as the roads are just too crap. Turn-in is pretty stunning with a few mins TOE-IN anyway. On a glass smooth track (eg, Silverstone) it may well be worth it though :thumbs:

[csl_mba]

That looks like you had a blast Hazy, loving the mpg guage :thumbs:

[houlbt]

As discussed you're killing the tyres because you probably don't have enough negative camber at the front. If you get your car setup properly you can certainly get more life and better performance from those Cups.

I don't recommend toe out on the front of a car for road use.

[azrael]

Radders those black wheels on a black car look ace!

[bryce]

Good pics. Cottage looks like a nice getaway.

How did you lads find the CSL in comparison to your Strads? Whats more fun?

Im running Thorneys 'Fast Road' geometry, which is toe'd out in the front. Gotta say I dont really like it. I find itodd that they'd give that kinda setting for road when all you lads seem to be advising against it. At the time of getting it done I told Thorney I wasnt intending on tracking.

What Geo should I be using for road? Ive KW v3's on too.

[Shake&Bake]

Pictures look great guys. How many CSL's are we going to have in Castle Combe next Friday?

[Nords]

I might be able to get there on the way back from Bath, but no promises. Can I get on for an Afternoon?

[Bealo]

Erm....feck, I knew someone would ask me this LOL

I can't 100% remember, but I'm getting the car aligned next week (after the rear axle was removed) so I'll check with the garage and let you know. As my car is pretty much 100% track I think my settings would be too extreme for normal road use, will wear out the tyres too fast. I would suspect 1 to 1.5 degrees negative on the front, and can't remember on the back :hahaha:

One thing I can recommend avoiding for the road -at the beginning of 2007 I had (on advice) some toe out set on the front, the car was excellent on turn in and I really liked it, what I didn't realise was the wear on the inside of the tyres - driving round the ring, 3rd last corner, the car suddenly went sqweeeelbbb (technical term) and when I got back to the car park I could hear a hissing noise, the inside edge was balder than Glendog74's teen bride (didn't know you were married Glendog!). Perhaps having driven for 3 hours on german autobahns the day before had something to do with it... :whistle:

Thanks Steve.

[Radders]

Good pics. Cottage looks like a nice getaway.

How did you lads find the CSL in comparison to your Strads? Whats more fun?

Im running Thorneys 'Fast Road' geometry, which is toe'd out in the front. Gotta say I dont really like it. I find itodd that they'd give that kinda setting for road when all you lads seem to be advising against it. At the time of getting it done I told Thorney I wasnt intending on tracking.

What Geo should I be using for road? Ive KW v3's on too.

Suspension was very soft in comparison but once we had changed the driving style to reduce the understeer i enjoyed it more. don't think there was much more time to be had out of a lap and we were passing pretty much everything.

Me and Hazy run a M3 E36 on the track (full track car) and TBH it made us realise how good this M3 is. The m3 would have spanked the CSL's if it had been there..

will upgrade the suspension on the csl and this should give a few more seconds per lap.

[Hazy]

Looks like you had a good day :-)

Tom Schirmer in Germany told me the Cups are designed for a certain amount of negative camber, quite high 3 degrees or thereabouts I think I recall. Reason I mention this is because I've never gone through a set of Cups in only 1 trackday (I run about -3.5), so I wonder if because the std CSL is 1 or 1.5 degrees negative when taken on track and given a good skelping that's what's causing you to wear them out?

Obviously toe out would affect them as well, but I presume your running standard Geo?

Just a thought, I could be wrong

Had mine set up for max neg camber on standard suspension (-2 degrees front and back) seemed to work as regards lack of edge wear, have just peeled back the centre section of the front tyres. Carrying too much corner speed I guess, used to the pace of the M3 perhaps?? Hey ho, its only money innit LOL!!!

[Hazy]

and bear in mind this was after a 2 hour steady drive home that cleaned them up a hell of alot!!!!:whistle:

[Bealo]

Had mine set up for max neg camber on standard suspension (-2 degrees front and back) seemed to work as regards lack of edge wear, have just peeled back the centre section of the front tyres. Carrying too much corner speed I guess, used to the pace of the M3 perhaps?? Hey ho, its only money innit LOL!!!

All i can say Hazy is bloody good effort mate! it's good to see you were giving it some :thumbs:

But after reading what some of the other experienced guys have said it might be an idea to get your geo setup checked again???

[Hazy]

All i can say Hazy is bloody good effort mate! it's good to see you were giving it some :thumbs:

But after reading what some of the other experienced guys have said it might be an idea to get your geo setup checked again???

TBH mate, loved using the CSL and will do so again, but the M3 is just sooooo good, gonna mainly stick to that with the occasional CSL or Strad day chucked in for good measure. The M3 has had £27k spent on it (not by me and Rad I hasten to add) so it seems a bit daft to throw a load of lolly at the CSL to create ANOTHER track weapon when I already have one. :thumbs:

I'm thinking the tyre wear might be down to pressures??? Was running 30/32 psi hot..... might be a touch too soft, allowing the tyre to roll a little too much? No doubt someone will advise me....

[Mark CSL]

Hazy
How about some pix of your track M3 :thumbs: