Is it wrong to look at these?

[Great Pretender]

yes very good post, i know i get the calling to the darkside every now and then! finely quenched for now thank you :thumbs:

i was chatting to a friend of a friend the other day who did the CSL to 996GT3 RS jump, he recon's it cost him 4 grand a track day :119::119:

I can well believe it.

Tyre's and brakes could last as little as one session if used hard enough; shocks and clutch as little as one track season.

For instance, my car was on its fourth clutch by 24k miles...

[glendog74]

I think bang per buck the CSL is top value and day-to-day running costs are even reasonable considering it's performance potential.

Even if you track a CSL, it is still not prohibitively expensive and rarely needs more than brake pads/discs and tyres occasionally, as well as fuel of course.

Whilst 996 GT3s and even some cheaper 997 GT3s are now within my financial reach, i think the running costs would prove horrendous if i were to do with it what i do currently with my CSL.

I still plan to have one one day - maybe in 5 years from now but it would be kept off the road a fair bit and used only for fun. Then again, the CSL might be a full-on track car by then so i would have no need for a Porka!

:smokin:

[Great Pretender]

I think bang per buck the CSL is top value and day-to-day running costs are even reasonable considering it's performance potential.

Even if you track a CSL, it is still not prohibitively expensive and rarely needs more than brake pads/discs and tyres occasionally, as well as fuel of course.

Whilst 996 GT3s and even some cheaper 997 GT3s are now within my financial reach, i think the running costs would prove horrendous if i were to do with it what i do currently with my CSL.

I still plan to have one one day - maybe in 5 years from now but it would be kept off the road a fair bit and used only for fun. Then again, the CSL might be a full-on track car by then so i would have no need for a Porka!

:smokin:

I think you're right.

You can of course upgrade the suspension and fit proper discs that aren't made from chocolate, but GT3's appetite for clutches and diff plates is still shocking.

Ultimately the Porker will be that bit better on track, but unless the associated running costs can be considered as pocket change, then it's not worth it IMO.

My only regret is not buying the CSL first. Then I wouldn't have suffered the epic wallet raping that the Porker gave me.

[monkeycsl]

4 years on and still loving my csl only tempted by a viper green gt3 rs but sod the expense so csl forever for me :thumbs:

[Pip1968]

Yes very interesting read and thank you. I am no expert but will only comment that you obviously had a bad experience with Porsche GB and reading in between the lines a lot of it was due to warranty issues. Depreciation in all fairness will be experienced by anyone wealthy enough to be able to afford a new car. What was the GT3 new, £85,000 and they are now at around £40-45,000 but then the CSL has also suffered a ~50% hit on price. you mention brakes which again are one of the 'weaknesses' of the CSL so most have upgraded to improve their track performance. That only really leaves the differential and clutch. I hope that you were just unlucky with these but will start saving anyway.

Of course I may have misunderstood your post but am sure you will be quick to correct me.

Either way I am giving it a go and will post on here my findings in a year or so.

They are a more expensive car and as I am taking my first plunge into Porsche I am not really qualified to comment too much. Moreover from what I understand GT3s are equally rare. I would have to Google it for sure but think that similarly small numbers were produced.

Pip

[Pip1968]

4 years on and still loving my csl only tempted by a viper green gt3 rs but sod the expense so csl forever for me :thumbs:

I have to say Monkey I am with you on the Porsche colours. I love the orange RS and the newer grey/red RSs and have bought a GT3 in Riviera Blue. I am not so keen on the green but still a fabulous colour.

Pip

[northernjim]

Well, I've already done the GT3 thing - albeit not of the 997 variety.

This was my old mount:

That backdrop looks awfully like skye to me???

some fantastic roads up that way:beer:

[Steviebee]

Thanks for that Simon.

I came from a 996tt to the CSL as I was looking for a bit more 'excitement' from a car, not to mention noise asthe 996tt had almost none.

As much as I am enjoying the CSL, I have always kept an eye on 997 GT3 prices with a view to having one in the next couple of years.

As much as I'm not a track master (3 - 5 trackdays per year), you have really gave me something to think about with regard to running costs and also their inability to handle our Scottish roads. The CSL, whilst stiff seems to cope with them pretty well, yet is a blast on trackdays.

From what I've read looks like I might be keeping a hold of the BM for a good while longer until that Porsche deposit is a fair bit bigger to help with keeping the think going!

The 996tt overall wasn't hard on the wallet, far from it tbh. OPC warranty was excellent too imo, though my car was 100% std which was a pain as they have so much potential !

Anyway - thanks again. Probably one of the most helpful GT3 posts I've read to date.

Stevie

[toofastforyou]

hi all

csl vs 997 gt3

interesting debate. obviously if both are driven by drivers of equal talent the gt3 will be faster. however, after having tried the porsche route MANY times, imho i just cant get to grips with the rr setup. tbh i just dont like it. the way the front bobs up and down it lacks the composure and balance of the csl (i know if one delves deep enough you will find unparalleled levels of grip), for me anyway.

my thoughts about porsche were echoed when my mate who was racing the dbrs9 (he was actually gt3 champion) decided to race a gt2 rsr. he too couldnt get to grips with the rr setup and found it difficult to push it to the limits. it took him more than a year of driving the thing to really understand it and be able to push it to the limits required in racing.

imo, i would rent a gt3 take it to the track and have a blast in it. see if you are suited to the porsche rr setup, before you buy one. but for the money for the gt3 i would rather buy 2 csls, one that i would use for everyday road use, and one that i would strip down to circa 1200/1250kg and tune to around 410bhp, a real track day warrior which i think would give even the gt3 rs a real run for its money. just my 2 cents worth.

[s.mac]

good read

[Bealo]

Shame you don't then really isn't it... :thumbs: I've never been embarressed by one on track

Not if you know how to drive one in 'anger'. :whistle:

A CSL flatters it's driver and makes it all reasonably easy to drive at a fair lick around a track without fear of spearing it into every barrier. :thumbs:

[glendog74]

Shame you don't then really isn't it... :thumbs: I've never been embarressed by one on track

I wasn't implying by me... :birdman: