BMW Performance Brakesystem

[shimmy]

And I agree additional cooling (mainly @ the front) would be a welcomed addition on the M3/CSL but as we all know the OEM pads shit themselves even on a public road after repeated use.
By upgrading to AP Racing, BREMBO, etc we are still left with cooling issues, are we not ?

No, my APs have never had any cooling problems, by that I mean the discs and callioers do not get so hot that when driving the retained heat boils the fluid or melts the pads. With the best fluid in standard brakes, you can still cook it quite easy.

[Levente]

I dont want to go to the Ring often, so mainly i want to use the car for open road and perhaps mountain roads. BMW Performance brakes are good then for this? Anyone know the price for fat new performance brakesystem?

[mattCSLnut]

not only the pads, but only one piston brakes? what were they thinking? im suprised about the brakedistance from 100 km/h is 33meter. Well they say that

Sure, the single piston callipers are an utter embarrassment :clown: on our cars but the weakest point IMHO are the crap OEM pads :banghead: and as Shimmy mentioned brake cooling issues, that further enhance the crapness of it all.

[shimmy]

Sure, the single piston callipers are an utter embarrassment :clown: on our cars but the weakest point IMHO are the crap OEM pads :banghead: and as Shimmy mentioned brake cooling issues, that further enhance the crapness of it all.

I had mine without APs for about 3 months so mostly forgotten but I think that with good fluid and decent pads it would be very hard to cook the brakes on the road.

[Levente]

I dont want to go to the Ring often, so mainly i want to use the car for open road and perhaps mountain roads. BMW Performance brakes are good then for this? Anyone know the price for fat new performance brakesystem?

[mattCSLnut]

I dont want to go to the Ring often, so mainly i want to use the car for open road and perhaps mountain roads. BMW Performance brakes are good then for this? Anyone know the price for fat new performance brakesystem?

I've driven numerous laps @ the Ring on OEM brake set up with upgraded pads,brake lines & fluid like I mentioned before and it was OK... not perfect by any means but just about OK as there aren't too many places where you really need to brake that hard @ the Ring :whistle: however by upgrading to my BREMBO set up it then meant I could brake that much later (at the few places where U really do need to brake) with much greater feel & finesse and without the fear of OEM set ups inherited fade and " will they? won't they? " attitude :bigcry: Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending CSLs OEM brake set up at all, it's inadequate for the application :clown: I'm just suggesting that it can be OK with slight upgrades to pads, lines & brake fluid.
The main deal breaker is when U start doing UK Track Days (which I guess U won't be doing) that really shows just how awful the OEM brake set up is on the CSL so for that reason alone, a decent BBK set up is a must.

[shane@mbtech]

I ran my standard brakes at Anglesey with decent fluid, the standard suspension on track showed its weakness before the brakes for me.

I did get the brakes to start fading after a good few laps, but it was manageable.

Standard discs, hoses, carbotech pads and decent fluids should make a huge improvement over stock.

The above will be more than enough for road and ring.

[mattCSLnut]

I had mine without APs for about 3 months so mostly forgotten but I think that with good fluid and decent pads it would be very hard to cook the brakes on the road.

D'oh :banghead: that's what I've been saying all along Shim I too run the midlly improved OEM set up with PF pads, ATF SBR fluid & SS lines for the first few months prior to my BREMBO BBK :smokin: and not had any problems on the road.

[mattCSLnut]

I ran my standard brakes at Anglesey with decent fluid, the standard suspension on track showed its weakness before the brakes for me.

I did get the brakes to start fading after a good few laps, but it was manageable.

Standard discs, hoses, carbotech pads and decent fluids should make a huge improvement over stock.

The above will be more than enough for road and ring.

Tis true :bigcry: Finally a voice of clarity :beer:

[shimmy]

D'oh :banghead: that's what I've been saying all along Shim I too run the midlly improved OEM set up with PF pads, ATF SBR fluid & SS lines for the first few months prior to my BREMBO BBK :smokin: and not had any problems on the road.

No, you said the weak soot was the pads in your first post, but IMHO it's the cooling, not just pads. You did correct yourself above however

[shimmy]

Tis true :bigcry: Finally a voice of clarity :beer:

I can never understand a word he says (he has to speak slowly to me) :thumbs:

[mattCSLnut]

No, you said the weak soot was the pads in your first post, but IMHO it's the cooling, not just pads. You did correct yourself above however

Why is it then that neither U or I had the cooling issues when running the upgraded after market pads & better brake fluid in the OEM single piston callipers ? :whistle:
Are U suggesting that just better brake fluid (which can cope with higher temps) will be OK with CSL OEM "crap" pads ?
BTW I said " It's mainly the CSL OEM pads that are crap "

[Levente]

im just eager to replace the whole brakesystem, cant acccept these default brakes. im fanatic you guys should know it by now XDDD :hahaha:

[mattCSLnut]

im fanatic you guys should know it by now XDDD :hahaha:

You don't say ?!?! :hahaha: :thumbs:
If you have very deep pockets :whistle: then AP Racing BBK is the only way :supz: covering every imaginable braking scenario for you.

[Levente]

You don't say ?!?! :hahaha: :thumbs:
If you have very deep pockets :whistle: then AP Racing BBK is the only way :supz: covering every imaginable braking scenario for you.

:smt055 where can i buy those in Germany? HOw much?