CSL - what would you have changed

[Trawler]

Got to say I love the smg. Find it a challenge to drive it smoothly in town/A roads by changing at the right point/modulating the throttle. The new double clutch may be better but I feel less involved. Bring back cars with no synchro so we have to double de-clutch I say.

[83SY]

What a load of fan boy rubbish

I suppose its easier for you to say I bought the wrong car than for you to admit that smg is piss poor at any other thing than track driving or when on a charge.

I test drove many cars and knew the pros and cons of the smg gear box, for my particular needs I can live with it, but that doesn't mean its not poor in auto mode does it?

Id much prefer a manual, I miss matching the revs and heal n toeing down through the box.

Only my opinion, sorry

I did feel the same until I learnt to drive it properly

[shimmy]

What a load of fan boy rubbish

I suppose its easier for you to say I bought the wrong car than for you to admit that smg is piss poor at any other thing than track driving or when on a charge.

I test drove many cars and knew the pros and cons of the smg gear box, for my particular needs I can live with it, but that doesn't mean its not poor in auto mode does it?

Id much prefer a manual, I miss matching the revs and heal n toeing down through the box.

I agree manual would be preferred choice on the road but the SMg is far from piss poor on the road. In auto and manual of set tot he right speed setting it changes well and without too much jerking and does its job.

[sfh3l]

I knew that would get you talking :-D

[toplad]

Only my opinion, sorry

I did feel the same until I learnt to drive it properly

Nothing to do with not being able to drive it properly, the system should work without having to adopt to idiosyncrasies, its just poor on the road.
Modern DCT gearboxes make SMG feel dated and its one of the few things that show the CSL's age

[shimmy]

Nothing to do with not being able to drive it properly, the system should work without having to adopt to idiosyncrasies, its just poor on the road.
Modern DCT gearboxes make SMG feel dated and its one of the few things that show the CSL's age

Those Model T Fords are a bit bumpy on the road too. Not sure what Henry was up to Tbh.

[Yanto_csl]

Surely you go into a CSL purchase knowing its a compromised car ?

If you want a track star, buy an RS, Caterham, Exige, Radical etc with a manual box, cage etc depending on budget. Don your Nomex undercrackers and off you go.

It's not perfect, but as an all purpose car, a good shout.

Alternatively, buy a £10k E46 M3, a trailer and a £15K tricked up Caterham for the same cash ???

[Christophe.m]

The E9 CSL did have rear seats, had the Scheel seat (better in some ways), did have electric windows and of course plenty of aluminium.

I have some picture on my laptop where we can see than there is not all these things...

http://www.google.ch/search?q=m3+csl+concept&oe=UTF-8&hl=fr&client=safari&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=E6mhT-jVEqmo4gTEju36CA&biw=768&bih=928&sei=GKmhT5WTKKiM4gTqhf2dCQ

Carbon front seat, dash trim etc....

[3wheels3]

Seriously I think the ONLY option should have been a Clubsport package consisting of;

1. Delete rear seats
2. Rear cage
3. Race Seats and harness
4. Adjustable suspension.
5. Better brakes

:thumbs:

+1, spot on :beer: but with front bumper made from standard plastic BUT in same shape as csl which along with Recaro SPG's would fund entire Clubsport cost haha :-D

One thing that pi$$es me is people who can't drive smg smooth It is like it is hard wired into your brain it's so good.

[Bounce]

+1, spot on :beer: but with front bumper made from standard plastic BUT in same shape as csl which along with Recaro SPG's would fund entire Clubsport cost haha :-D

One thing that pi$$es me is people who can't drive smg smooth It is like it is hard wired into your brain it's so good.

I'm with you Wheels,got no trouble with SMG on the road,I'm worse with a gear stick.:hahaha::hahaha:

[s.mac]

I love the smg
and each to their own
I always think these threads are pointless unless you are on the BMW panel for design and engineering :smt015

[83SY]

Nothing to do with not being able to drive it properly, the system should work without having to adopt to idiosyncrasies, its just poor on the road.
Modern DCT gearboxes make SMG feel dated and its one of the few things that show the CSL's age

I've got to be honest and this isn't me being a fan boy but I drove a friend new shape dct m3 2008 and I thought the gearbox was lazy compared to the smg in the csl but I also think the same of the smg in the standard m3. Maybe the software in the csl just makes the smg work

All just my opinion and I understand what your saying but I think as pointed out by others the car was built to be abit raw and that's what I adore about it

[83SY]

I love the smg
and each to their own
I always think these threads are pointless unless you are on the BMW panel for design and engineering :smt015

Very true

[toplad]

I've got to be honest and this isn't me being a fan boy but I drove a friend new shape dct m3 2008 and I thought the gearbox was lazy compared to the smg in the csl but I also think the same of the smg in the standard m3. Maybe the software in the csl just makes the smg work

All just my opinion and I understand what your saying but I think as pointed out by others the car was built to be abit raw and that's what I adore about it

I love my car too, more than any I've owned in the past, I like it because it's raw also, but raw isn't an excuse for what's a pretty poor auto mode. I don't really use it, but thought I'd give it a go this weekend. It's fine on the motorway, but hopeless at low speed maneuvering, I'm glad I didn't buy it for it's auto mode, that's all can say :whistle:
In Evo magazine's buying guide the SMG gearbox gets a mention too, so I'm not the only person to notice the failings.

Took mine out for blast this weekend, on a charge the paddles and speed of changes add to the experience and really suit the car, so it's not all bad:-D
Still shocked by the speed of the thing in a straight line and through the bends:supz:

[shimmy]

Top lad

Did you try auto mode in S5 or S6?

3wheels3 uses this on track and I've tried it and I swear it is superb (except for the odd change when you don't want it)