So who has the most highly modified CSL?

[alexk]

I only run a SS Race Lightweight and have 370PS and 389Nm.
My acceleration times are phenomenal for a stock car (telemetry) :thumbs:

It just shows what fresh air full with oxygen and Swiss fuel can do...

[shimmy]

Engine-wise mine is slightly modified and runs at 384hp, can't say the difference with a regular one is that noticeable.

-Supersprint stepped headers
-Supersprint mettalic Cats
-Supersprint mid section
-Supersprint back box
-Schrik 280/288 cams and Schrik rocker arms fitted
-Re-mapped by PPE @ 384bhp/411Nm

i know why that is

[Mike RT4]

i know why that is

Stop being secret squirrel :gayfight:.

Is it because most of the performance increases mentioned are load of BS :wink: ?

[_Nathan_]

I remember being impressed with your watercooled brakes at the ring, we spoke many years ago in the car park, guess 2003 ish.

Looking at this video of Donny in the Escort the lap times are no faster than a standard CSL so wondering if it just feels miles slower because of the power delivery?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22tqRTDxCbc&list=UUMJdbe1Kky5WsSI2QyEumMA&index=11

For what it is worth, I think a Drexler plated diff is the best money you can spend on a road going M3, traction is so much better, and miles more predictable when it lets go too.

[Mike RT4]

I remember being impressed with your watercooled brakes at the ring, we spoke many years ago in the car park, guess 2003 ish.

Looking at this video of Donny in the Escort the lap times are no faster than a standard CSL so wondering if it just feels miles slower because of the power delivery?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22tqRTDxCbc&list=UUMJdbe1Kky5WsSI2QyEumMA&index=11

For what it is worth, I think a Drexler plated diff is the best money you can spend on a road going M3, traction is so much better, and miles more predictable when it lets go too.

It was only running a 1.5 bar of boost (noise restrictions), but that was still sufficient to catch the CSL there on the day and pass it, as you can see in the above video .

[alexk]

Looking at this video of Donny in the Escort the lap times are no faster than a standard CSL so wondering if it just feels miles slower because of the power delivery?

:smt020 Very interesting.

[_Nathan_]

No accounting for drivers...

[Mike RT4]

No accounting for drivers...

True . My car only runs about 460PS in low boost and weighs 1500kg, so in reduced boost scenarios is never going to set the world alight.

This jumps to 550PS and 685Nm at 2.2 bar (engine dyno verified) and it's character then changes....

[Porker]

I'm assuming by your mods that all the extra power is above 7000rpm - did you find the cams lost some of the standard car's mid-range? Have you got a before and after overlaid power plot to see where the gains / losses were?

I can't thoroughly compare before/after, as I've bought the car with these mods in place. But compared to a stock CSL it has lost some driveability in the mid-range, power delivery seems a tiny bit jerky. Top of the revband is much smoother.

I'll check if I can make a scan of the remap, don't know if I have a before/after overlay as well, I'll check!

[Mike RT4]

I can't thoroughly compare before/after, as I've bought the car with these mods in place. But compared to a stock CSL it has lost some driveability in the mid-range, power delivery seems a tiny bit jerky. Top of the revband is much smoother.

I'll check if I can make a scan of the remap, don't know if I have a before/after overlay as well, I'll check!

Many thanks :thumbs: !

[shimmy]

Stop being secret squirrel :gayfight:.

Is it because most of the performance increases mentioned are load of BS :wink: ?

:-D:119:


Looking at your video Mike, I don't see that Cossy catching a well driven CSL, we always have our boost turned down.

Not knowing how well you drive, unless ou were cracking 1m 20s at Donny I'd say the CSL is faster and at the Ring I'd say the stock CSL will be faster. Amybe it's a chance to look a bit more holistically at a car and have something that is reliable, road and tack use, faster than most affordable cars and a great tool for learning to driver better (not meant to be a dig)

If you do want to pull an engine apart I'd get a V8 and buy an E46M3 and do your worst!

[Bealo]

I'm spoiled - most things seem painfully slow .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5VV7...yEumMA&index=9

I look forward to seeing you at Snett on June 10th then and I'll try not to hold you up :whistle:

[shimmy]

I look forward to seeing you at Snett on June 10th then and I'll try not to hold you up :whistle:

How many ponies are you kicking out now?

[sjb]

That csl certainly didn't appear to be being driven to its full potential
The capri driver was doing well keeping it's arse from catching up with the front end :hahaha:

[Mike RT4]

:-D:119:


Looking at your video Mike, I don't see that Cossy catching a well driven CSL, we always have our boost turned down.

Not knowing how well you drive, unless ou were cracking 1m 20s at Donny I'd say the CSL is faster and at the Ring I'd say the stock CSL will be faster. Amybe it's a chance to look a bit more holistically at a car and have something that is reliable, road and tack use, faster than most affordable cars and a great tool for learning to driver better (not meant to be a dig)

If you do want to pull an engine apart I'd get a V8 and buy an E46M3 and do your worst!

I've never timed myself at any events, but we all like to consider ourselves "good" drivers :wink:. However, in my experience, I have yet to come across a CSL that has been driven with sufficient gusto to prevent it from being overtaken at any circuit (including that green thing at the 'ring ).

I know exactly what you mean regarding the driving aspect and the way I have set my car up (over the 12 years I've owned it), everyone who has driven it has raved about the handling, as it is very neutral and with the traction provided with 4wd, can out-corner almost anything it comes across (aero cars excluded) - basically it has become too easy to drive. As soon as you turn in, you can nail the throttle, it grips, requires a sniff of opposite lock and away it goes. So you are correct, having perfected it, I fancy the challenge of something new and more difficult to get the speed out of. Having had some seat time in a well modded E46 M3 (Intrax, CSL wheels, APs and geo set-up) around the 'ring, I love the way these cars drive, but was worried that with the standard 360PS CSL, I'd get bored (as I have with the E90). I'm used to rwd having had a 515bhp Sapphire, which was a real handful, so sideways does not bother me in the slightest .